So that's why all this puff about the 'hydrogen economy'

I am sure a lot of people liked using horses to pull carriages in 1900 too. Made f*ck all difference to the development of the motor car.

Amusingly enough, not even 12 months ago I was reading a lot of people telling me how *impossible* it would be for them not to be able to drive to work.

Come Covid, and mysteriously, they're f****ng coping alright.

perhaps carrying a passenger or two and some luggage?

That's because their employer has changed their working conditions.

It doesn't make a bit of difference if it was astrological alignments or f****ng fairies. Less than 12 months ago it was *impossible* - no matter what suggestions were made to make it possible.

Now it's the new normal.

When I started working in strategy and R&D a few years ago, a wise old cove gave a presentation on "it's all about me" and how to do your best to remove it from equations where possible.

As I never tire of quoting. Henry Ford himself said if he had bothered to listen to "the market" he would have made faster horses.

There's also (as TNP noted) a reverse corollary whereby no amount of wishful thinking is going to trump science and engineering. In this case to make hydrogen-as-a-fuel even remotely practical on the scale needed.

You want to use hydrogen as a fuel ? Then bolt on some oxygen and carbon and Bob's your uncle.

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We are considering... I can do the 3 phase charger bit but the fully electric car price seems a rip off. The manufacturers seem to believe that the £3k government support is for them rather than their buyers!

Outside of Teslas, not very many EVs can exceed 7kW (many can't even reach that)

There is that.

I think that is wrong

Jaguar I pace is 270kW Volkswagen E-golf 100KW Even that Hyundai Kona is around 180kW

Can you cite this source from 2 months ago?

Only on DC fast charger, not on AC ...

Oh my bad, thought we were talking about output power, not charge rates...

Too much snipping.

Ball?s in your court now. Show me a test of a Kia/Hyundai 65kWh EV not achieving at least 200 miles or less than 80% of its claimed range. You?ve accused me of telling lies. You said there were no EVs capable of 200 miles. Patently completely wrong.

Tim

the problem with that solution is that the "run-around" will be a second hand small car picked up for a few grand

find me an electric car that you can pick up for a few grand

AIH, no

you think HMG isn't going to find some way to tax electric mileage after they have lost the income from fuel duty

In message <rmppp0$67p$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, tim... snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com writes

Inevitably but they have not adjusted road fund licences. Which they might easily have done. Our 1600 euro 5 diesel Fiesta is still only £20.00!

I didnt say that. Liar

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They're going to have to find a way to recoup all the losses from the last 6 months lack of motoring first ...

True, but I?m really not concerned with such long term speculation. Things will change for sure. By how much and how quickly we don?t know.

Tim

Full size charger? What would that be? Home charging is often done with a

You *can* go to the expense and trouble of a 22kW 3 phase charger if you have a 3 phase supply already but given that we all have to sleep sometimes, 7kW is perfectly adequate.

Tim