Seems the retro fad continues - sail power

[Andrew]

Utter BS. There are many, many types of 'plastic' that can only be derived from oil.

[Andrew]

While private companies employ people on zero hours contracts and minimum wage while the taxpayer effectively tops up their income to a living wage with tax-credits, child benefit and housing benefit.

The employer meanwhile moves his massively improved profits to another jurisdiction where corporation tax is peanuts.

And plenty of companies only exist to claim all the juicy government and EU handouts

[The Natural Philosopher]

TEQs are part of the market . Dreamed up by Artstudents

[The Natural Philosopher]

Utter BS. Oil is when all is said and done only rotted down organic matter

It's merely a matter of cost.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Anyone could have bought Shell shares. Why didn't you?

[alan_m]

That would generate a nice black market in TEQs units :)

[Rod Speed]

No chance of that.

[Tim Streater]

Now you're getting a clue. Each human produces about 0.5 ton of CO2 each years, simply by breathing in and out. What are you suggestions for reducing the 11+ billion to something sensible?

[Tim Streater]

Like King Canute, you mean?

Someone, IOW, who wants to will the ends but has no clue about the means?

[Tim Streater]

The wide boys would certainly love that!

[Rod Speed]

Europe had far less money available and far more rebuilding to do.

That's what the europeans had at that time.

[Rod Speed]

Fantasy

Fantasy

Fantasy

Like hell they did given that the massive crew that handled the sails had to be paid.

Pity about the number of those required.

Nope.

BULLSHIT

Fantasy

[RJH]

Possibly!

Apparently it was close to being implemented a while back - would have been interesting.

[Rod Speed]

Not just container ships either.

Not a problem with the russian nuke subs

The massive number of ships that come to grief are hardly ever salvaged, essentially because they are mostly very geriatric old ships which are just left to rot.

Fantasy

[RJH]

Incisive as ever :-)

[RJH]

Anybody with money to spare, and willing to gamble on something they'd need to believe in.

Doesn't appeal. .

[Rod Speed]

Soup [e-mail] wrote

Mostly, particularly the high value lower weight stuff.

Because the more volume you can move per year means a better ROI particularly with the stuff that isnt feasible to fly like most cars, crude oil, petroleum, iron ore, steel, wheat, rice, grain, sugar, meat, live sheep and cattle, etc etc etc

[Tim Streater]

There's already a couple of nuke subs in Davey Jones' Locker, not to mention all the defunct Russian subs just left to rot in their northern ports. Was that the contamination you had in mind or was it something else? The 4 billion tons of uranium in the world's oceans, perhaps?

[Tim Streater]

And that is why we in the west are richer than any socialist country. Because the commercial compainies are better (if there's competition) at husbanding society's resources. If they do so, it costs them less. In Soviet Russia, with no competition, where reliability of their airliners was lower than ours, their solution was just to build more of them than they needed - thus wasting society's resources.

[Rod Speed]

Pity about the doldrums and wind in the direction you need.