Having sent two e-mails of complaint I received a reply from the guy
apologising and saying he would remove the content as soon as (his sister)
He followed this up with a phone call tonight, apologising profusely, saying
he now realised he shouldn't have done it.
He is actually a really nice guy and we had a good chat. We are going to
meet for a coffee to see if we can help each other.
Restores your faith in humanity a bit.
I'd have missed that (since I have WL killfiled) if you hadn't followed
In this town, that happened a while ago. Local CH place suddenly closed
without warning. Turned out they'd firebombed a competitor in Margate...
He has a point, though I know you refuse to see it. You ask for help on
this group, you get it, for free. However you don't perform your work
for free and you seem to think that expertise grows on the trees or is
there to breathe like the air. The relationship that you have with a DIY
group, including your constant sigvertising and your occasional
stealthvertising must perforce always be uncomfortable.
I can see why you get aggrieved about people "stealing" your copy, but
you seem to have a blind spot about people getting aggrieved about you
"stealing" their techniques, workarounds, expert opinion.
You even thought it was amusing/witty to laugh/sneer at my suggestion
that you pay me for my opinion, but by not paying you steal *my* stock
in trade. Nor does the fact that someone has ripped off your website
have anything at all to do with DIY.
He (WL) rarely seems to have a point, or at least one that makes sense
to me anyway...
Does that not apply to anyone though? If you DIY and hence save yourself
the cost of employing someone else.
One presumes that if you post said opinion, techniques, workarounds to a
public forum like this, you can't really get upset when someone makes
use of them for whatever purpose.
IMHO Dave does plenty of contributing of his own to the group in his day
to day postings and also the various articles that he has authored for
the faq/wiki. I don't see any restriction to non commercial uses on these.
The nature of Dave's work also means that he in all likelihood does far
more "DIY" that the vast majority of us, and encounters lots of
"interesting" situations and people in the process. Sharing these with
the rest of us makes the group all the richer.
The majority of the content of this group only has a tenuous connection
with DIY. One of its great strengths I find - there is a wealth of
knowledge freely given on a wide range of topics.
If you only want "on topic" and just DIY, perhaps we could recommend the
readers digest manual of DIY?
I think there's a difference between sharing experience and information -
in which respect TMH gives at least as much as he takes - and
appropriating someone else's work as your own, whether that's the copy of
TMH's wibble or the contents of uk.d-i-y being mirrored on commercial
As for sigvertising TMH is not the only one. It doesn't bother me but I
can imagine that it may annoy others. Matter of personal taste I suppose.
Hardly... just seemed a poor choice of target for the rant - there are
plenty others that seek only to disrupt or dip in only when they need
something and then vanish again.
I appreciate that Dave's original post may seem like it was a bit of an
overreaction to many - but then again it is easy to remain calm and
dispassionate when it is not your work being copied.
It wasn't a rant.
Umm hmm, however you show the syndrome that affects many. Commercial use
of newsgroups dedicated to amateur pursuits should always be off topic.
However many, and it seems you are one of them, are prepared to make
exceptions usually based upon a perception of the affability of the
person in question. It's the thin end of a wedge and if you or the
majority, permit such abuse then there's no moral standpoitn that you
can take when the group becomes full of tradesmen competing for your
It happened in uk.comps.sys.mac where one person in particular was
permitted to tout his wares because people liked his personality. They
then looked foolish when they attempted to object to someone else making
exactly the same type of posts for a different business.
I know that you and others will try to personalise this, but it's not
personal from my point of view. I simply regard opening the door to let
'a friend' in is the way that you open the door to the passing muggers.
In effect the position that you are taking is the same as those
irritating twits in cinema queues who let someone queue jump because
it's a friend who doesn't want to join the back of the queue.
I've had worse happen, but since it's not DIY related I don't
see why I should whine about it here. Nor TBH did the whine in question
belong here since it had absolutely nothing to do with DIY.
I've just looked at the UK DIY FAQ and can't seem to find where it specifies
this is an amatuer only group.
I can find a section which states that "Company representatives may mention
their products, services or websites in the signature of their replies to
questions but signatures longer than four 75-character lines will be
Since my sig is within that parameter I can't see where the problem is. I
don't tout for business on UK DIY - it would be rather pointless wouldn't
Yes, I do gain commercially from information I get from this site - but I
also contribute information I have aquired in the course of my business
freely. A double edged sword.
Uhhh, I for one enjoy Dave's posts and as others have said he puts in as
much input as anyone else. The very fact that he is employed to do the
sorts of jobs that we, as diyers, have to do makes his experience very
valuable and his anecdotes interesting and very often amusing.
I'm sorry but I do not understand that.
Well it has a lot to do with a vibrant newsgroup like this being an
interesting place for DIYers to visit, without too many restrictions
enforced by self-appointed net cops. You are obviously not in a position
to judge this but the number of replies to his posts should tell you
Carry on Dave!