Ok maybe I havn't made it clear in the post? I want an active sounder,strobe
and box on the front of the house and a dummy box on the back of the house
but preferably with a strobe in the dummy box and alls I wanted to know is
whether this dummy box had a strobe inside as it has the same blue perspex
panel on the bottom as the active box.
The box you picture is just an empty box.
Dummy by the description is just that a fake.
Some don't even have a backplate you just put 2 screws in the wall and hang
the cover on.
The majority of manufacturers now sell the same top cover and backplate for
the dummy and the active units, the only difference being the electronics
clipped onto the backplate.
Supplying one with a strobe would entail wiring to the box so defeating the
idea of a dummy ,that's why most installers fit active units .
You could do this and just leave out the sounder feed but it begs the
question WHY? if going to all that trouble.
In message , George
The other point is (AFAIK) that thieves really don't care about house
alarms unless they are recognised ones which phone through to a control
who call the police
Alarm goes off - so what ?
who would bother reporting it ?
and how long does it take them to get through if they did
and the other other point is that having an alarm which is not approved
is a liability when it comes to insurance
In message , geoff
Depends on the locality. On the odd occasion an alarm goes off here
neighbours check quite quickly to see if there are any obvious signs of
unauthorised entry. The last time it happen 4 turned up within a few
Not long to get through but of course the actual response time varies
I appreciate that they are not taken into account when calculating the
premium but a liability - that is very unlikely.
An alarm/alarm box may not deter the clued up 'experienced' thief (other
factors may) but they may well deter the opportunists and 'apprentices'
who will move on to apparently safer pickings.
In message , George
I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you ...
If someone entered my house, I would know, and I don't think that they
would remain within the house for any longer than it took them to get
I DO think that dummy boxes are an open invitation - "look I'm
pretending I have an alarm system" ... whether you do or not
Generally (probably always) dummy bell boxes are devoid of contents; i.e.
bell, battery, leds and strobe.
The dummy box has a small deterrent value of making a house appear from a
distance as if it had an alarm system. This in turn where some houses do
and some don't /might/ cause a potential robber to go elsewhere.
If you just want the strobe and maybe leds you buy a normal bell box and
set it up to not use the sounder. Most panels will support several bell
boxes or maybe more.
A few years ago, someone broke into one of my sheds (non-alarmed) and
took a chainsaw. He then forced a window of my clock workshop (omg - I
nearly advertised then), stuck his arm through, and triggered the house
alarm. He scarpered, leaving the chainsaw a few yards away.
The alarm did frighten him off, and was therefore effective in this
He would not have seen the house alarm box from the direction from which
he approached, and might therefore have been deterred had there been
another box (real or dummy) where he would have seen it.
I'm not so sure about my second conclusion, because he may not have
realised the workshop would be linked to the alarm, or may have been
prepared to risk it.
Only, I think, if you've declared it such that they've taken it into
account in assessing the risk.
No more so than not having one at all surely.
Not sure how many burglars are opportunist wee scrotes/druggies, and how
many are pro's who would actually be capable of recognising different alarm
Sadly most thieves aren't: evidently the quality of training these days
leaves much to be desired. What is the Guild of Thieves doing to promote
and maintain standards in the profession, I hear you ask?
So a dummy box is probably as much use as a real stand-alone system: if
brain-addled tealeaf is prepared to break in thinking he'll set off an
alarm which no-one will pay any attention to anyway, because people don't,
then it doesn't much matter whether it really does go off or not. And it
saves the hassle of setting and resetting it and the cost of installation
& maintenance of a real system, and saves winding the neighbours up when
it goes off accidentally while you're away. As they do.
Of course if you've got something worth the attention of real skilled
professional thieves, and a proper monitored alarm system, it's a
I hear that the colleges are full so they are letting some go home early.
No surprise the standards are slipping. The other day they carefully
mangled the lock mechanism on the van rear door whilst failing to spot
the KASP lock. What a waste of their effort really.
It is more to make the occupant feel secure than to add any real
Just slows down them (Ocean's 10+n team) down a bit.