Renewable energy is so fucking cheap....

In that case you should be thanking me for bringing so much joy into your life as it’s clear you absolutely *love* moaning.

Tim

The lack of investment has come from government pushing OFWAT to reduce allowable increases in water supplies and treatment that has wilfully limited the desperate investment we needed a decade or two ago.

Now the s*it has hit the fan, or perhaps landed in rivers, lakes and beaches, prices will increase to account for increased investment that the government has now endorsed.

In message <1154l81$m47b$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, at 14:06:09 on Fri, 7 Aug

GBR a disaster now re-nationalised.

Has it been? I can't say I noticed. Public schmublic transport...

Did you read that extract? take another look - the answer's implicit.

You manage to completely avoid the point.

'My' AI does use sources. If you read the extract carefully you'll see the main source used. Others include the Power Technology web site. By all means suggest counters etc.

on Tuesday & Thursday I travelled via LNER (Nationalised) between London & Edinburgh (and back). Friendly staff and trains on time.

Probably it's referring to:

"In 2024/25 Balancing Services Use of System (BSUoS) charges contributed to ~3.4% of electricity bills for an average domestic consumer which works out to be about ~£3 a month on a typical domestic electricity bill."

"Looking Forward Balancing costs are expected to rise in the short term, reaching a peak of ~£8bn in 2030. However, this peak in costs can be avoided, delivering savings of up to ~£4bn in 2030, if critical network projects are brought forward and delays to plans for wider network expansion are avoided, as outlined in our CP30 Advice."

Apart from mangling the percentage it seems to match.

Theo

In message <1154tnn$p7hl$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, at 16:31:03 on Fri, 7 Aug

Fares increased by stealth (removing the cheaper fares), trains permanently cancelled to reduce costs, EMR's new fleet a compete fiasco, and yesterday a 90 second power outage at an over-centralised signal box in Manchester disrupted trains across half the country for 24hrs.

And that's just the most recent.

Maybe staff just get grumpy around TNP ?

Yes - that'd be it. It was NESO anyway. Odd/worrying that it misreported the % . . . and that I didn't bother to check(!). Claude's explanation:

And both of them leave out all the 'socialised' costs of renewable energy that end up appearing on your bills

That is the 'spreading' cost - it's given in the quote above, albeit in two different ways. Maybe £30p.a./household.

If you want to dispute that figure fill your boots. And while you're at it factor in 'socialised', geo/political, economic, social, and environmental benefits.

In message <1155fhj$vgjn$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, at 21:34:59 on Fri, 7 Aug

Didn't write what? You can tell which postings I've written because they are all signed.

I was on a bus yesterday, and apart from the impression that the wheels were bolted direct onto the chassis, it was OK, and the driver cheerful.

In message <1155fja$vgjn$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, at 21:35:54 on Fri, 7 Aug

Despite extensive reporting the cause of the underlying power cut has not been revealed, nor the reason why it took 90 seconds to switch to the backup supply. All we know is that the underlying power cut affected many premises, not just the signal box.

One could easily get the impression that contacts for the supply of free/cheap/clean Unreliable energy were written by a relative of Al Capone.

Paid to produce electricity (at the same price as the most expensive), paid not to produce electricity, paid when the Unreliable part kicks in, what’s not to like (for the producers, of course)?

Then there’s the cost of building a supply grid because the existing balancing grid was never designed for it.

Plus the cost of running the reliable generation in an inefficient stop/start regime to make up the shortfalls when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.

Whatever happened to cost plus percentage, apart from being trampled to death in the rush to get on the gravy train?

But that is down to individuals. I know of rural bus services where drivers will make "unofficial" stops outside peoples houses rather than making them walk quarter of a mile to where the company have placed the bus stop. I have also seen Urban drivers deliberately not stop at a bus stop.

This is an interesting table of electricity prices by country:

Country….Domestic….Business….vs World Average

US ~$0.15-0.16 ~$0.12 Near average

China ~$0.08 ~$0.09 ~50% below

Japan ~$0.25-0.28 ~$0.18 +50-65% above

Germany ~$0.41 ~$0.24 +140% above

India ~$0.08-0.10 ~$0.10-0.12 ~40-50% below

Brazil ~$0.12-0.14 ~$0.10 ~20% below

France ~$0.26 ~$0.18 +50% above

Canada ~$0.12 ~$0.10 ~30% below

Australia ~$0.25-0.30 ~$0.18 +50-75% above

In contrast, prices in Japan and Germany are significantly higher due to their unique energy circumstances—Japan’s post-Fukushima reliance on imported LNG and Germany’s ambitious renewable energy transition.”

Plenty more here:

How do they go round and round?

.-)

"GBR a disaster now re-nationalised".

I wouldn't write that because I didn't know it had been.

I spent the first 18 years of my life on public transport and a bicycle. That was more than enough to last a lifetime...