Re: OT: Murder Rate

Dec 20, 2021 Last reply: 4 years ago 64 Replies
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>>> >>>> Gentlemen,


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>>>>  From my position as an outside observer looking on with dismay from
>>>> glorious tax-exiledome abroad (as Mr. Plowman sees it) I can't help
>>>> but notice the staggering number murders taking place in Britain these >>>> days.
>
>>> It would be helpful if you could provide the source of your
>>> misinformation. Would this be some old encyclopedia?
>
>>>> The kind of thing that would be national news for weeks on end
>>>> 50 or 60 years ago is now so commonplace that it barely warrants a few
>>>> desultory lines in the local rag.
>
>>> Perhaps the readership don't want to read such things
>
>>>> Something really needs doing (like reintroducing hanging) but no one
>>>> in politics is even referencing the problem, let alone dealing with
>>>> it. WTF is to be done and why is that bloody useless woman still in
>>>> post as home secretary??
>
>>> Why? the homicide rate is pretty stable:
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Does its supposed stability mean that it is acceptable?


>> Note the compressed scale. From 2002 to 2021, the highest rate being
>>> 18 per million, currently 10.1 per million.
>
>> What was it in (say) 1962?
>
> Next to nothing. I was there. I remember. Anyone who says there are no
> more murders today than there were 60 years ago is a lying bastard - or
> simply self-deluded. There's no shortage of both on this newsgroup.

I agree with your "next to nothing".


In the early 1960s, murders were big front page news, not tucked away on page 13. Who, of those of us who were there, could ever forget 09:00 on


4th April 1962?

The abolition of the matching penalty for the ultimate crime brought this about. It now seems to regarded as a worse crime to use inflammatory racial language than it is to stab someone to death.

The next to nothing figure is 300 in 62. With a much smaller population than today.

Good to see you Tories using the Bojo method of counting.

How many population then and now?

How many murders then and now?

No-one's done any counting so far, except for you (with your "300" murders in 1962).

You haven't counted population either. You simply asserted "much smaller population".

JNugent <jennings& snipped-for-privacy@fastmail.fm wrote

Corse not, but it does indicate that its not something that there is a nice easy solution for like a return of the death penalty.

More fool you. In fact it was about half the recent minimum in 2013

That isn't what happened with Ava White and Star Hobson.

Its very far from clear that that is true. It could also have been due to the big increase in murders due to drug gang turf wars.

Even sillier.

We'd all prefer a stability around a much smaller annual number, surely?

Or would we?

"Next to nothing" is a turn of phrase.

Others on your side of this have already accepted that there has been a large increase.

Thank you for yet another cretinous remark, antipodean retard.

Not surprising that you are one of the lying bastards I referred to above, Dave. You inflate past figures (which you pulled out of your arse) to make current figures appear less damning. I know your little game.

Cursitor Doom snipped-for-privacy@notformail.com wrote

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

Quoted from official UK figures, pet. Actual figure was 299 - but since I know you'd be reading this I rounded it up as you'd do for a 5 year old.

In 1962 the UK population was 53.1m 2021. 68.2.

Ask a grown up to calulate the numbers per capita for you.

Quite. I'd guess Doom is an anti lock down type, being the typical arch right winger. 'Some may die, but it's a risk I'm willing to take' Then gets all upset about murder rates. With the UK being pretty average for murders against similar countries.

You might also wonder why it concerns him - since he fled GB to avoid paying taxes. Just another foreigner wanting to interfere in UK domestic affairs. With his typical ghoulish wish to bring back the death penalty.

Okay, Dave. Have it your way. You're obviously happy to live in a 3rd world s*it-hole with a sky-high murder rate as evidenced by you choosing London for a home. How's the Covid rate in the capital at the moment, by the way? Not that that would bother you, a committed Cosmopolitan, since the prospect of getting stabbed for no reason by a complete stranger is something you take in your stride every day. Have a nice life!

No one with any sense would bother to marshal a rational argument against a notorious troll, mate. What a complete waste of time that would be with an incorrigible moron like you.

You still haven't said which paradise you reside in, unless I missed that post.

Ah - right. No apology for

'You inflate past figures (which you pulled out of your arse) to make current figures appear less damning. I know your little game.'

then? What a surprise.

And now you've moved on to Covid. Are following the advice of your hero Farage and haven't been vaccinated?

It's very sad the numbers of knife crimes in London (and elsewhere). But like in so many other cities, largely 'gang (in the loosest meaning) related.

And only total fools would think the death penalty for murder would reduce these by a significant amount. But if would certainly satisfy the drooling gammons like Doom.

Oh well. Wonder where he will scuttle off to next when the IoM gets more diverse?

Richard snipped-for-privacy@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote

Its unlikely anywhere else is silly enough to let him go there.

Guess Spain might if he has enough money but he is a rabid brexiteer and will no doubt be getting lots of health problem and clearly has very high blood pressure, so likely that’s out too.

With any luck he will burst a blood vessel or something.

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