Re: OT: Matt Ridley on energy

Sep 30, 2021 Last reply: 5 years ago 4 Replies
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newshound snipped-for-privacy@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote


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>>>> What? You have to make, and store the hydrogen, and then run it
>>>> through fuel cells or burn it in a CCGT. What is this if not a back-up? >>>>
>>> The context was either storage, like batteries or backup electricity
>>> generation like a coal station. Hydrogen is storage.
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>> Hydrogen is storage of *energy*, not of electricity. You can only turn
>> it into electricity with hardware, that you only need when the sun is
>> not shining and the wind is not blowing.
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> But its still a stupid alternative to nukes.
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> That?s what I meant about Ridley's s*it, he doesn?t really have a > f****ng clue.

I agree completely, and so does Ridley. I was responding to the point that Ridley said that renewables require backup and someone else said he was wrong, because they only require storage (such as hydrogen). And I said that the plant to use that hydrogen *was* backup.


I very much doubt that this will ever make economic sense, but that does depend on political decisions. Your compatriots have always been dead against nuclear power, even though you are probably the best country in the world to provide long term storage of nuclear waste.


Very happy to see them buying nuclear subs, though.

newshound snipped-for-privacy@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote

No they have not. And we have vast amounts of very easily used coal and gas.

No point in storing it long term, only till its economic to reprocess.

That’s not true either, most see subs in any form as a stupid waste of an immense amount of money that would be far better spent on hospitals, schools, roads and various other infrastructure.

Subs are completely useless for us.

I was thinking about high level waste, left after reprocessing. Deep geological disposal is seen as the only option in the Northern Hemisphere, although personally I'd argue that shallow disposal would equally make sense somewhere in the centre of Australia.

Good job we have such good politicians, to make sound decisions when faced with a wide range of views. Oh, wait.....

AISB, what makes much more sense is:

1) glassify it - something that is already done and has been for years. 2) Dump it in the Mariana Trench. With 37,000 feet of water on top of it, I can't see it being raided by souvenir hunters. And after a while it will be subducted into the mantle.

The problem with that is that although it is the most sane rational and cost effective solution, the greentards would go bananas, and it would be blown up into an InterNationalIncident.

IIRC the Irish have been whinging for years about stuff in te sea off Windscale/Cumbria,

My own take is what the hell are flooded decommissioned coal mines FOR.

Except then there would be a panic about 'our groundwater-a!' The problem is that the Blair assault on education has resulted in a generation unfit to live in a technological society. All they can do is glue themselves to motorways (with glue made out of fossil hydrocarbons) and whine.

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