Re: OT French hate the English ....

Pot - Kettle - Black! as usual.

You reckon your opinions are worth a pound a pop?? I wouldn't give you tuppence for the lot of them, you brainless moron.

Theresa May. Thesame bunch of people are the ones described by John Major as bar-stewards.

And in 2005 the brainless Kippers gave Tony Blair another 5 years in office by splitting the non-Labour vote in all the marginals.

Fabulous tactics on Nigel's part. He really is the ONE MAN without whom we would never have left the EU's death embrace.

I don't believe that. The reason Cameron had a referendum was because he believed that it would shut up those in his own party when a majority voted to stay in the EU.

He f***ed that up with the scotland referendum too, even tho it did deliver the result he wanted.

And we still haven't. Ok we arent moored alongside, but the cables still connect us

Th reason Cameron held a referendum was because - and I was a UKIP member that at time - the conservatives told me 'we are worried about UKIP' which was taking council seats all over the shires.

The referendum was supposed to lose, aided by massive marketing from the MSM and Brussels, The fact that *despite* that it didn't, was a huge shock to the Tory grandees, and then their grass roots took over and pushed us out.

And most of the exiled Tories in UKIP went back to the Tory party, more or less including Nigel it would seem

Not *remotely* as much as before, though. They get themselves in the s*it with the Euro and it's their problem; no more bail-outs from UK taxpayers! I take heart from the ERG's announcement today that they're happy with the deal and it preserves full sovereignty. Nigel's been very quiet, too so that's a good sign. Looks like we've successfully avoided the BRINO that Treason May was hoping to saddle us with, the old bitch.

I read quite a lot of it and I have read the ERGS legal report. I think basically what it boils down to is that the EU has got everything it wanted on level playing fields *on paper* but that the sanctions for giving them the finger are weak and would amount as I understand it, to placing tariffs on goods that were cheapened thereby. That's from the ERG. The ERGs point is that how it pans out depends on the government, whether it meekly hangs on to the EUs tailcoats or strikes out boldly on its own. Same for state subsidies. And the principle of reciprocity means we could e.g, bitch about Germany subsidising its manufacturing... I laughed when I read a lot of it. You could see loads of oversight committees, working parties and if course the Joint Resolution Board (or whatever it is where they pass round a spliff and agree to disagree). That was EU input. And then you could see in the small print where they could recommend away, but there was no requirement to follow those recommendations!

And that it seems was the tenor of the whole document - loads of EU 'thou shalt' with loads of UK 'or else? bugger all!' . Up to the break clause which say 'if you or we don't like it,just announce it will cease to apply in one year' presumably with WTO as a fallback...

In short it looks like a complete fudge with the EU trying to impose conditions and us letting them, but trying to make sure they are ineffective, time limited, able to be revised, or in the final analysis thrown overboard.

In reality it stops the Germans panicking up to a point because they get their market access and at least on the face of it assurances we wont compete unfairly. But it has more legal loopholes than you can shake a stick at. My guess is that it isn't ultimately with a damn. It will get is to customs declarations even if its tariff free, so all the mechanisms to deal with borders will be in place, and if we feel lucky next year punk, we can blow the deal to hell and go WTO with a lot less pain. Or not.

Anyone seen this?

Wonder how it happened.

well read further

"It's clear that something is amiss in the drafting of this treaty, and we'd go so far as to venture the opinion that a tired civil servant simply cut-and-pasted from a late-1990s security document"

"Several people have suggested the words were copied from a 2008 EU law, which *includes the same text*."

Any further proof that the EU is incompetent and years out of date need not be provided.

Quod erat demonstrandum

Do you *know* it was an incompetent EU person or one of our home bred incompetents?

And from a team/party you voted for and think wonderful.

Hmmm. It's a BBC report so worth exactly what you've paid for it. I don't usually bother following links to BBC 'resources' but as Tim posted it I made an exception.