Re: OT. Judges as Kings??

Nonsense as always:

"An autopsy carried out by Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, in June last year concluded Floyd's death was a homicide."

According to the report, Floyd, who had been apprehended on suspicion of passing a counterfeit $20 bill, died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The American Heart Association identifies cardiopulmonary arrest as the "abrupt loss of heart function in a person."

Baker's preliminary report had sparked anger after it found "no physical findings" to "support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation". The report had also suggested Floyd's had underlying conditions which contributed to his death.

According to the report, Floyd's death had been caused by the "combined effects of Mr Floyd's being restrained by police, underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system".

In an updated report filed two months later, Baker confirmed he had found traces of fentanyl—an opioid used as recreational drug—in Floyd's system, but stated that could not be identified as the cause of death.

He dies of a heart attack while fighting with the police and we charge the cop. Nobody ever mentions that if he had just said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. He claimed he was too claustrophobic to get in a car but he got there in a car. Did Mitt Romney have him tied to the roof?

He does? That's breaking news. Where'd you get it, or did you (as I suspect) just make it up?

Fighting with the police? You didn't see the video, apparently.

Rightfully so. No jurisdiction hires 'cops' to act as judge and jury, AKA murderer.

Lots of people have mentioned that, but I guess they are all nobodies.

It's the start of the weekend. I expect you've started drinking since none of that made sense.

Well it actually some of it, like the last part, does make sense. How is it that Floyd wasn't claustrophobic in his car, but suddenly becomes that way only when he has to be put in the police car? How many lying shyster scum bags like Floyd do you think try to pull that with cops? And that's what Floyd was, a real grade A scum bag, a man with a lifelong history of crime, reaching a pinnacle when he lead a home invasion robbery of a pregnant woman. A gun was held to the woman's stomach in front of her family, including a 7 year old child. The 7 year old helped identify him, he was caught in the getaway car in the minutes after. He served 4 years in jail for that. My, how racist that justice system in Texas must be to give a guy like that only 4 years. Had they given him the forty years he should have received, he'd be alive today. And now fools are erecting statutes of this POS so everyone thinks he's some kind of hero and role model.

And I love the lib media in the days after his death. They were saying that Floyd moved to Minneapolis to turn his life around. Yeah, right. He was loaded with fentanyl, passing counterfeit bills. This guy was destined to wind up dead sooner or later from his criminal career. We're lucky he didn't kill some innocent person first. He already came close with that home invasion. Good riddance.

Much of the things like Floyd is hyped up by the news media to generate hate so more news can be generated.

The jury had to find the cop guilty or be afraid they would be retaliated against or the people would burn the town down.

Reminds me of the tail of around 100 years ago where a news paper man told his reporters to go to a country and report on the war. There was not a war,but the newspaper man said with what he was going to print there will be one soon.

I have often said that the media is the nation's worst enemy. They only report what they want to report and then lie or slant it.

What you're asking for is state media, where the only things being printed are what the government allows. Look around at the various countries that do it that way. Would you want to live in any of them? Of course not, and nor would I. A free and independent media is a cornerstone of our democracy. People who see them as the enemy have some introspection to do.

I certainly would not want PBS to be the only news source as they are just as corrupt. We all want free press but majority do not recognize how corrupt they are.

Maybe you are the one who is intoxicated if that was beyond your reading comprehension. It is a fact that he died of a heart attack. The American Heart Association identifies cardiopulmonary arrest as the "abrupt loss of heart function in a person." AKA a Heart Attack.

He was fighting with the police. He would not obey a lawful order.

He did claim he couldn't get in the car because he was claustrophobic, yet he got there in a f****ng car. It must be selective claustrophobia, Only cop cars. OTOH it might be jail that makes him claustrophobic. Maybe he shouldn't do the crime if he can't do the time.

What people refer to as the MSM didn't become mainstream because they misreport the news. They became mainstream because they DON'T misreport the news, and when they do get it wrong, they're usually pretty quick to correct it. Is there still some slant and bias? Yes, of course, but if you know that you can watch for it and filter it appropriately.

What we don't need are the outlets that intentionally get things wrong, including Infowars, OAN, Newsmax, Fox, etc., but I don't advocate shutting them down. Maybe I'm naive, but I think a better solution is to watch them dry up and blow away as more and more people realize what they're doing and drift away, leaving them in favor of more trustworthy outlets. After the last 4 years, I'm much less confident that that will happen, though.

I'm not picking sides, simply commenting on your words, specifically "he got there in a f****ng car" and "selective claustrophobia".

Leave the emotions aside and look at it from a medical point of view.

Just because "he got there in a f****ng car" doesn't mean he didn't have claustrophobia. Look up the type of things that can cause a claustrophobic episode.

Claustrophobia is considered a "situational phobia" in that certain situations can trigger an episode. You can certainly feel "closed in" in the back of police car and not feel "closed in" in your own or a friend's car.

Toss in a stressful situation and things can go south pretty quickly.

It's perfectly reasonable that he could ride in a car or even drive a car. It's also perfectly reasonable that being tossed in the back of cop car could be stressful enough to cause a episode.

Check out the symptoms listed at that site. Among the many are:

"feeling confused or disorientated"

It's not unreasonable to assume that many of his subsequent actions were due to the fact that his was in the middle of panic attack caused the fact that he was having a claustrophobic episode.

As an alternative, he may not have had claustrophobia. He may have had cleithrophobia, which is often confused with claustrophobia, even by those that suffer from it. Cleithrophobia is the fear of being trapped, locked in, or unable to escape, which would certainly be the case in the back of a cop car. It would also explain why he was able to "get there in f****ng car" without any problem. He knew he could get out of that f****ng car whenever he wanted to.

Both of these phobias could cause the behaviors that Floyd presented, including the feeling that you must do everything possible to get yourself out of the situation.

People often say things like - and not just in the Floyd situation - "Why didn't he just give up?" "Why did she get so mad?" "How could he have said/done such a thing to his own kid?"

When they say something like that they are assuming that they are dealing with someone capable of rational thought at the time of the occurrence. In the words of Ira Gershwin, "It ain't necessarily so." They have no idea what triggered the questionable behavior. It could be anything from a medical condition (You should see me when I'm hangry) to a mental condition, including one of many phobias.

You are willing to accept the cause of death based on the medical definition of a heart attack.

Are you willing to accept the fact that he might have had claustrophobia or cleithrophobia based on the medical descriptions I offered?

To be clear - none of what I said implies I think he was guilty, not guilty, a nice guy or a scum bag. I'm simply pointing out that just because "he got there in a f****ng car" doesn't mean he doesn't suffer from a condition that may explain some of his actions.

My favorite is the judge finding in favor of Tucker Carlson, because Fox's own lawyers argued that no reasonable viewer takes Tucker Carlson seriously.

Fox can call its own viewers "unreasonable" - because they know that many viewers hang on Tucker's et al every word - and yet the viewers just keep on watching, quoting, forwarding his videos around as if they are fact.

You got love it.

The general public likes celebrities. Hollywood types, sports figures, they all have loyal followers.

You can say the same about the cop. Except he gets to do the time. He never gave Floyd that opportunity.

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The only thing he was afraid of was going back to jail.

Floyd never made him the offer. He was resisting until he died.

I would blame the other officers on site as much as Chauvin. There were a bunch of them. Why didn't they take Floyd into custody the old fashioned way. Grab his ass and throw him in a wagon? Get him in a sally port and let the COs deal with him there. They know how to handle resisting inmates.

He wasn't resisting once they had him on the ground, all the time he was saying he could not breathe, begging them to let him up, which was probably

As I recall there were only two others.

Why didn't they take Floyd into custody the old

One was a new hire rookie, Chauvin was his boss. The other was also junior to Chauvin. They couldn't take him and throw him in a wagon because there was no wagon there. They probably had called one after he resisted getting in the car, but he was dead 9 minutes later. Sounds like normal procedure to me with regard to that part. Chauvin, the senior officer in charge was calling the shots. One officer, I believe it was the rookie, did say to Chauvin that he was concerned about excited delirium. Chauvin ignored it. What would you do in that situation, being on the job for just a matter of weeks?

I wonder if Floyd might have survived if the crowd was not there yelling at Chauvin to stop. I'm not saying the crowd was wrong. But it looks to me like the more they demanded he stop, the more Chauvin dug in, refusing to back down, refusing to have it look like some civilians could order him around. Without the crowd, he might have let him up after a few minutes. And then we don't know what would have happened either. It's possible Floyd still would have died from his high level of fentanyl and all the stress.

He he was never heard saying is "I give up, I will get in the car".

If three cops could not pick this guy up and shove him in the car, he was still resisting arrest. Chauvin was a macho asshole but there is no evidence he had intent to kill floyd, the underlying predicate for the murder he was charged with. Negligent homicide? maybe. This was a politically charged prosecution and conviction. It will be interesting to see how it survives in appeal where the crime is not at issue, only the procedure.