Re: Freezer question, your experience.

A Miele is always going to be worth £100 more than a Zanussi simply because all Miele equipment is designed and made in Germany to have a service life of 20 years, and usually achieves that.

If you were very lucky, you might have to replace the Zanussi only twice during that 20 year period.

Well maybe it's just me, but I have noticed this often, that fridges 'grab the door' when you go to shut them, and then you hear the rubber being sucked tight. So I wouldn't be surprised to find this was a general feature: though undoubtedly more important in an upright than a chest freezer - where the cold air is just going to sit there unless you stir it about - presumably why ice cream shop ones have sliding tops.

Can't say I have ever noticed any "grabing the door" at least not until the magnetic seal has contacted the frame. They do pull in then, it's the warm air, that's been let in, cooling down and contracting. Noticeable on a fridge but with freezer in can be quite hard to open the door for a few tens of seconds after you have closed it.

Never had *any* size milk carton burst in the freezer.

MBQ

I've only ever frozen 4 pinters (didn't want to upset the edantic police....err....)

Jim K

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Thanks to all. Its a bit confusing for me when one poster says get the Miele because they are built to last twenty years and worth paying the extra for. Then another says, buy the cheapest because none of them are built to last. Can anyone throw any light on these two opposite opinions. Thanks.

getting a consensus here will involve a long wait - longer even than the warranty on the Miele - which won't be the fabled 20 years.....

Jim K

Yes. Someone is talking nonsense ;->

Miele most certainly is built to last (in the old British sense of the word). Top Bosch are built OK, but are also built to be maintained (the parts are available and don't cost a bomb). I expect 10 years from a Bosch Logixx and will probably get more. Miele I expect 20 years.

Sometimes cheap is OK, eg the chest freezer in question. They are very simple machines compared to a washing machine.

WRT to more complex machines, buying cheap X times overlooks the fact that the machine is quite likely to perform worse than its better counterparts, irrespective of lifespan. I've experienced (not owned) awful diswashers that just didn't clean properly.

Do this one.

But not this.

who said anything about cardboard milk cartons?

frozen coke cans just pop out the inverted base if yyou freeze them (over here anyways ;>))

Jim K

The coke cans do but I can assure you that cans of Stella pop the ring pulls if left in a freezer.

Adam

That still doesn't make sense. how do they expel the frost, scrape it off and then toss it out somehowwww??? They might mean a self- defrosting freezer, that would make some sense at least.

The person who says buy the cheapest because none of them are built to last has clearly never owned a Miele. ;-)

If that logic holds true why aren't refrigerators offered in chest models? They get opened all the time so it should be more of an issue. I can just see opening up the chest fridge and digging around for a few minutes looking for the mustard. Nuts to that stuff.

Lou

So what? At most one or two pounds of cold air spills out of an upright when it's opened. The effect on temperature is almost immeasurable.

If that logic holds true why aren't refrigerators offered in chest models? They get opened all the time so it should be more of an issue. I can just see opening up the chest fridge and digging around for a few minutes looking for the mustard. Nuts to that stuff.

Lou

work out also what happens to the warm wet air that replaces it.

Hint. They operate above the freezing point of water.