Quick electrical question

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:23:43 GMT, in uk.d-i-y Sneezy strung together this:

Do this one. You worry too much!

Agree. Or wire the connection from the rose to a junction box and feed the lights from that.

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:10:12 -0000, in uk.d-i-y "Martin" strung together this:

But you end up with even more cables per terminal then, and a lot more work, and ripping up floorboards for no real reason. If you llike doing excessive amounts of diy though...

snipped-for-privacy@microsoft.com (Lurch) wrote in news:404782e0.116408646@news- text.dsl.pipex.com:

You've noticed huh :) Why they dont add an extra connector - 3/3/2 - I dont know. Plenty of room for one.

Thanks.

snipped-for-privacy@microsoft.com (Lurch) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news-text.dsl.pipex.com:

All the wiring is accessible, thankfully. It's all in the cellar. Probably best to keep the complexity of the job to a minimum though :D

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:54:28 GMT, in uk.d-i-y Sneezy strung together this:

I briefly thought that once but in the olden days when they were invented there was only loop in, loop out and switch. They only had one light per room, no fans, outside lights etc.. and other items tacked on the lighting circuits. This meant that there would be 1 switched live, 3 permanent lives and 2 neutrals, (1,3,2). Add the flex either end and that's 2,3,3. When I started out I did a lot of site work so all three lives went in one terminal, both neutrals in another and the switchwire in t'other, quickest way works a charm, and we were on price!

What he said

Plenty of room for two 1mmsq wires in the one hole. Leave the outer holes for the pendant flex, as the route for the strain relief is designed to work best that way (you see those funny little "wings" towards the outside of the rose? you're supposed to run the blue & brown wires of the flex through those, so that the wires wrapping nearly 180degrees around them take the weight of the lampshade etc., leaving the screwed electrical connections without any force trying to pull the wires out over the next

HTH - Stefek

snipped-for-privacy@hp.com wrote in news:c28b85$1ds$ snipped-for-privacy@murdoch.hpl.hp.com:

True but I was thinking about the screw. If the wires are on top of each other will the screw exert enough force to stop the bottom wiring pulling out? If the wires are side-by-side the screw might go down the middle and push the wires against the sides of the hole. I worry too much, I think too much :) I'll do two in one hole - I have your names if the house burns down :D

So how would I make the light safe to swing from then? ;)

Heh. If you've terminated the live conector in a screw block in some way, then the onus is on the person dismantling it to check if it's live first, otherwise they shouldn't be in there.

Let's face it it's not hard to stick a neon screwdriver in, and I check BOTH Live and Neutral - I've seen several live black wires :-0

I've also seen some nightmares up in some ceiling roses i've changed over for friends &c. [1]

Cheers,

Paul.

If using 1mm cable, there's room for two conductors in the one hole on all the ceiling roses I've used. Not sure if there's room for two 1.5mm, though.

I bet you twisted the 3 lives together, 2 neutrals together and used 1 piece of earth sleeve for 2 earth wires. All practices now frowned upon !

Bunging two wires in one hole actually improves the connection. Bung the two solid cables in one hole. The stranded wire to the bulb holder is a bit of a pain when stuffed into a small hole.

Christian.

You as well !. We must have ridden the same range with the same cowboys. Dave

And you were born knowing all about ms windows....??

On 05 Mar 2004 10:58:40 GMT, in uk.d-i-y snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (Wheelbarrowbob) strung together this:

Nope.

They were when I started, in 1995.

On 4 Mar 2004 20:30:41 -0800, in uk.d-i-y snipped-for-privacy@technologist.com (Zymurgy) strung together this:

You'd have thought so but I've just been to an emergency light in a leisure centre recently fitted by so called professionals, complete with reverse polarity. When I traced the cable back it ended up in a ceiling rose with 4 x 2 core pyros, all with black sleeving, none with any distinguishing marks!