OT:Working lifespan of a nuclear bomb ?

Assuming the detonation mechanism was intact and functioning (and I have my doubts) would the fuel have still been viable ? My recollection of various U and Pu isotope half lives is sketchy at best ;)

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Savannah| A couple of tourists from Canada made a surprising discovery while scuba diving in Wassaw Sound, a small bay located on the shores of Georgia. Jason Sutter and Christina Murray were admiring the marine life of the area when they stumbled upon a Mark 15 thermonuclear bomb that had been lost by the United States Air Force more than 50 years ago.

The couple from London in Ontario, was on a two week vacation in Georgia and Florida to practise their favorite hobby, scuba diving, when they decided to dive near the shores of Tybee Island. While admiring the plants and fishes near the sea floor, they noticed a large cylindrical item partially covered by sand. They investigated the object and found out that it was actually a sort of bomb or missile, so they decided to contact the authorities.

?I noticed an object that looked like a metal cylinder, which I thought was an oil barrel? says Jason Sutter. ?When I dug it up a bit, I noticed that it was actually a lot bigger and that there was some writing on the side. When I saw the inscription saying that it was a Mk-15 nuclear bomb, I totally freaked out. I caught Chritina by the arm and made signs to tell her we had to leave. We made an emergency ascent, went back to shore and then we called 911.?

The couple is still shocked after their frightening discovery and say they will avoid diving for the rest of their trip. Rapidly understanding the gravity of the situation, the 911 operator contacted every possible emergency service, including the coast guard and the military, leading to the deployment of more than 20 ships and 1500 men in the area. Using the GPS coordinates given by the couple, they rapidly located the powerful 3.8 megaton bomb.

An unmanned submarine was sent to determine the condition of the bomb, before explosive experts were sent to disarm it. Fortunately, the thermonuclear weapon produced in 1955 seemed in sufficiently good shape for a team of Navy seals to try to defuse it. They successfully deactivated the warhead after hours of strenuous work, allowing the rest of the bomb to be moved.

The delicate recovery operation took more than 48 hours, but the bomb was finally recovered and transported Mayport Naval Station in Florida. A full set of tests and analysis will now be performed on the warhead to evaluate its actual state and the possible ecological and health hazard that its presence in the bay for 50 years could represent.

Navy seals underwater explosives experts spent nearly five hours working on the warhead before they were able to extract the detonator and the uranium core of the weapon, allowing the fuselage to be moved. The federal and state authorities were well-aware that a nuclear warhead had been lost in the area in the 1950?s and had never been recovered, but no efforts had been done for years to recover it. It was lost on the night of February 5, 1958, when a B-47 Stratojet bomber carrying the

7,600-pound hydrogen bomb on a simulated combat mission off the coast of Georgia collided with an F-86 Saberjet fighter at 36,000 feet of altitude. The collision destroyed the fighter and severely damaged a wing of the bomber, leaving one of its engines partially dislodged.

The bomber?s pilot, Maj. Howard Richardson, was instructed by the Homestead Air Force Base in Florida. to jettison the H-bomb before attempting a landing. Richardson dropped the bomb into the shallow waters of Wassaw Sound, near the mouth of the Savannah River, where he believed the bomb would be swiftly recovered. The crew did not see an explosion when the bomb struck the sea and they managed to land the B-47 safely at the nearest base.

For the following six weeks, the Air Force looked for the bomb without success. Underwater divers scoured the depths, troops tromped through nearby salt marshes, and a blimp hovered over the area attempting to spot a hole or crater in the beach or swamp. Researches were finally abandoned and the bomb remained hidden for more than 50 years until the unlucky couple stumbled upon it.

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Jethro_uk
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I think the answer is very much yes. Its more likely that something electronic will have failed than the actual fuel will be no good. Having said that of course, if it is based on hydrogen surrounding the plutonium core, this could gradually leak away. It would still have a very big bang though! Brian

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Brian Gaff

... and assuming that this isn't a spoof ;-)

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<no_spam

The chemical shaped explosives might be heading for age instability.

The main nuclear fission components would be fine, but the tritium initiator for the main hydrogen fusion bomb would be dead. One hopes that the bomb was not armed when they dropped it and there should be multiple interlocks to prevent accidental nuclear detonation.

If it had been a plutionium weapon then the fission initiators polonium based fuse would have long since time expired.

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Yield when repaired would probably have been tens of kilotonnes if a Bond villain had found it first (unless he had obtained fresh tritium).

However, an accidental chemical explosion spreading bomb grade uranium about would have a serious nuisance factor. Basically don't kick it!

Bombs of that series spanned a range of outputs from the initiator core which if it went off on its own could be perhaps as high as 40kT. See

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Provided that the steel case remained intact probably none at all. The old Savannah River nuclear facility is a far greater radioactive hazard - though probably not quite as bad as Oak Ridge.

Tough job underwater. I wonder if you cut the red or blue wire first?

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Martin Brown

Jethro_uk scribbled

Ex President Bush is confused - were they tourists or terrorists ?

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Jonno

I suspect not. Most countries nuclear weapons have to be regularly maintained.

The journo is a bit confused as to what kind of weapon it is, almost certainly a fission ("atom") bomb and not a "thermo-nuclear" ("hydrogen") bomb.

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Huge

Don't think so.

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newshound

Wasn't one of the crude A bomb + lithium hydride with tungsten reflectors? They don't have any hydrogen to leak.

If so the TNT and detonators used to detonate the A bomb would

*probably* have failed to function well enough to cause an atomic detonation. In which case the Lithium hydride wouldn't fuse either.

If you ever find an A bomb with a few minutes left on the clock hit it with something hard to disrupt the explosive sequence and run like hell, you should be safe. You just need to stop the core from being compressed.

Modern nukes use initiator cores that allow much less fissile material to go super critical and they decay quite fast and probably weren't fitted as I believe they were fitted near the target, you don't want one going off in friendly countries (except Germany that was/is).

Te more recent ones that are small enough to fit in fighters, etc. have to be "armed" before take off but are supposed to have safety features that stop then going nuke until they are used in anger, I wouldn't want to speculate on what they might be..

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dennis

Date: February 5, 1958 Location: Off Georgia, United States In a simulated combat mission, a B-47 collided with an F-86 near Savannah, Georgia. After attempting to land at Hunter Air Force Base with the nuclear weapon onboard, the weapon was jettisoned over water. The plane later landed safely. A nuclear detonation was not possible since the nuclear capsule was not on board the aircraft. Subsequent searches failed to locate the weapon.

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newshound

Spoil sports , be much more fun if they had put it on Ebay , buyer collects.

G.Harman

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damduck-egg

How does this information allow one to distinguish between a fission or fusion bomb?

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Tim Streater

U235 half life is around 500,000 years. Plutonium 239 is 24,000 years. Not quite sure which of these would have been used in the bomb, but essentially all of the Uranium and the Plutonium would remain today.

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GB

It gives you the date; by this time the Type 15 were routinely deployed, supporting the original article which identified it as a Type 15.

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newshound

Hmmm, hit it how hard? This particular H Bomb was in a steel case and weighed over 3 tons. :)

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GB

Yes, but not the polonium 210 used in the neutron sources of early weapons. Any tritium in a boosted primary would also have decayed.

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newshound

This is what happens if you drop one a bit harder...

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I have seen the one at the National Museum of Nuclear Science and History, in Albuquerque, NM. They showed a film of rocket sledge tests of the explosives used in the original Palomares bomb and less impact-sensitive explosives used in newer designs.

John

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jrwalliker

And did you write its serial number down in your little book?

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Huge

The alpha source and tritium would be long since time expired but the uranium would be still OK precisely machined and nicely enriched.

The Mk15 was a fusion based thermonuclear weapon although it derived a lot of its energy from highly enriched uranium so it would pack quite a punch on fission alone. Just as well the bad guys didn't find it!

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Martin Brown

In article , Brian Gaff scribeth thus

Its absolutely amazing that they left it there in the area without looking very much harder.

I thought this was some April's fool wind up initially!...

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tony sayer

Do atom bombs have a "worst before" date on them?

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Reentrant

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