OT Vaccine Recording

When people get vaccinated at their GP surgeries, it might get put on their records. But if they are vaccinated elsewhere, any record might not make it over to their personal records at the GP surgery. I am thinking of those vaccinated as part of a work approach (care home workers, NHS staff, police, forces, prison staff, etc.) especially if the vaccination is done in another area, region, even country.

Also, what will be done about anyone who suffers an adverse reaction and cannot take the second vaccination?

Technologically it would be trivially easy, and has been for decades. Not just for vaccines for for any similar medical related information.

In particular this is the type of app that would have benefited from Blair's Unique Id scheme (ID card).

Will anyone do it... Of course not.

I had hope this was the kind of thing Dominic Cummings might come in and shake up, but it appears the obstacles to common sense practicality were far to great, even for our Dom.

it will be recorded on id cards in Wales, so that people will know when to go for their next injection, and what they had.

It hardly sounds like an "id card"

"Those receiving a COVID-19 vaccination will be given a credit card-sized NHS Wales immunisation card which will have the vaccine name, date of immunisation and batch number of each of the doses given handwritten on them."

I still have a bit of cardboard that's 55+ years old giving details of my polio/tetanus/whooping cough/diphtheria/etc vaccinations.

Presumably at least in the early days, an NHS database will decide who has the vaccine first? So will be noted on that?

When all this started, I got a letter from the NHS (not my GP) saying that I was in the vulnerable group. My local council obviously had a copy of this too, as they offered help with food deliveries - until I arranged for that from a supermarket.

So why would it be different for a vaccine?

Yes we have also seen this in some countries with pet passports, so its another good little earner for the crooks. I'd have thought they should be recording it as they need to call people back for the second jab. Brian

As, for quite a long time, the vaccinations are going to be offered only to targetted groups, I would expect to get an invitation to attend a specific NHS run location when my turn comes. They are going to want to check that only those entitled to the vaccination are going to get it, which implies at least some link to their medical records. IME, anything done in any NHS location and everything I have had done in a private clinic has (in the latter case with my express permission) always appeared in my GP's records.

Another country is about the only one of those where I would not expect the vaccination to be done by somebody in the NHS. The WHO and several countries are looking into the possibility of it being the subject of a health passport, much as yellow fever vaccination is, for use when people travel internationally.

The vaccines would not have got approval unless the known adverse reactions were only minor. However, the MHRA is going to be monitoring the possible adverse reaction reports using AI, to try to detect any new reactions early. What will happen will depend upon what, if any, adverse reactions are detected.

It might not be. But if you were, for example, a doctor or nurse and get vaccinated as part of the internal NHS plan to vaccinate those staff working in specific areas, the information might not percolate back to your GP's computer system and your personal records. Especially if, for example, you live in England but work in Wales, or Scotland, or vice versa.

If the invitation comes via your GP surgery, there is probably a greater chance of the record being complete.

Well they have to put something in place to recall people for the second of the two jabs (well I hope so!).

They could just issue a preprinted postcard with a couple of write-in fields at the time of the first injection to do that.

Wonder if they will suspend vaccinations on 11/12/2020 so as to avoid needing to do the second one on New Year's Day?

When we got our Yellow Fever vaccinations they were not available at our surgery so had to be done elsewhere. Nevertheless, they found their way onto our surgery's records without any intervention from ourselves.

Having had them, we were provided with a certificate as one is needed for entry at more than a few countries around the world. And the requirement is not theoretical: checking in at Panama airport for a flight to Mexico we had to produce the paper certificates. No certificate, no flight and the scans we had on our phones were not an acceptable alternative.

In the next few years a Covid-19 vaccination certificate may well become a requirement for entry into some countries.

Entirely possible that there will be some sort of requirement imposed. But if they don't have a system in place by the end of this month for ensuring everything is properly recorded, and certificates can be produced, the first recipients might miss out.

I foresee issues with checking. I know China has said something about QR codes. But, whatever is agreed, it needs to be set up both for issuing the proof to individuals and permitting fast and reliable checking by the authorities and interested parties (whoever and wherever) - which could include hotels, restaurants, transport, ...

Utter cobblers. In a couple of years everyone will have forgotten about it and the worlds press will be printing screaming headlines about how inflation is impoverishing millions of retired people on fixed pensions.

They don't have ID cards in Wales, or anywhere else in the UK.

Yesterdays Moneybox program on BBC R4 told us about people who had had universal credit loans taken out in their names and they had to pay it back !. All because face-to-face applications were suspended during lockdown, so naturally the scammers charged thrrough the now open stable door.

Andrew

The vast bulk of the population (80%) who are unaffected by it are the same people who travel the most. Have fun trying to enforce flight restrictions. I'll put money on Michael O'Leary saying he will not impiose restructions and hoover up a lot of business from those airlines that do.

I still have, tucked into a long-expired passport, one of those fold-out, yellow, international vaccination certificates. It has spaces for smallpox, polio, yellow fever, typhoid, paratyphoid, typhus, etc. That certificate was checked as carefully as was the passport.

But did it stop you getting Delhi belly ?