OT: Swansea Tidal Lagoon rejected

[The Natural Philosopher]

The EU apparently do.

[Jeff]

No reason why a hard border there now would see a return to that.

[charles]

A hrd border would be contrary to the Good Friday agreement.

Have you ever been to NI?

[T i m]

What the Brexiteers fail to consider is 'the bigger picture', blinded by their crusade to leave the EU and in many cases for their own personal reasons rather than logic.

The GFA is a good example. After the flash election the Conservatives could only retain power by doing a deal with the DUP and so that whole scenario therefore becomes even more delicate.

So, not the sort of thing you want to be 'pi$$ing about with' or using it as a pawn in a completely different battle.

Our MP's have a fundamental obligation to do the best thing for us (irrespective of what we vote for in a poll) and so promises or otherwise, doing what's best for us is their job.

The reason 2 years on we have the pro Brexiteers falling by the wayside is that they are slowly realising, any leaving of the EU is massively complicated and potentially impossible without a massive cost to everyone and for a very long time.

Take any of the great and politically uneducated unwashed (like me) and *tell* them they will be 20 quid a day worse off because of Brexit and potentially for ever and ask them again if they still want it.

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Now explain what the EU has done/changed to make this so. Apart from not rolling over as we were told they would do by the likes of you.

[Jeff]

Yes.

Irrelevant to whether a hard border now would see a return of the IRA campaign now.

[RJH]

Which is simply incorrect. Water pumped during times of low demand could smooth production to an extent. And the word 'spike' is hardly value-free (or accurate). I'd hope he's more careful in his academic work.

It is often

Yep - but I suspect that's as much to do with the motives of the initiator as anything.

[alan_m]

If there are people of that mindset who are prepared to bomb any excuse will do and not necessarily a hard boarder. At the moment the two "opposing" sides cannot agree on how to govern Northern Ireland so a hard border probably pales into insignificance compared to other reasons for being antisocial.

[alan_m]

One of the first mailshots through my letter box from the remain campaign tolling me that I was around £3k per year better off by being in the EU. No proof of this amount was offered. What proof have you that I will be £7.2K worse off when the UK leaves?

There are many complaints in this group that the figures produced by those in charge of the leave campaign were completely bogus and hence discredited as being lies. What's the difference in making up alternative figures to support the remain point of view?

[dennis]

The EU want a closed border just like most of them are.

The UK wants an open border because its a part of the peace treaty with the IRA, etc.

You can guess what might happen without the peace treaty.

Not that brexiteers worry about such minor things, they have more important things to deal with like migrants washing cars.

[dennis]

Taking their heads out of the sand won't stop them lying.

[dennis]

Are you a leader in the IRA then so that you know what they might do?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Have you worked out how worse off you are now due to the pound falling etc, before we've even officially left?

[Fredxx]

Some of us have had inflation busting pay increases. So no, I am much better off.

If the £3k, or is it £7.2k includes any fall in expected house prices, then I can see the prediction may well turn out true.

[Roger Hayter]

The problem with the Irish border may arise from the Nationalist population in NI. We might wish to listen to their anxieties, it was expensive last time we decided to ignore them.

[Jeff]

All you need to do is to have watched them implode into complete insignificance now.

That agreement essentially allowed them to save face when even they had noticed that their bombing campaign had achieved nothing and they could wave the peace agreement around as something they had achieved. There is no way they could ever start the bombing campaign again now if the EU forced a hard border.

[bert]

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Only worth smuggling from a high tariff side to a low one.

Time to take yours out from up your arse.

[bert]

[bert]

In article , charles writes

How does it depend upon the definition of "us" in this context?

It also saw an end to the UVF campaign of murder. Do you want a return to that.

[bert]

In article , T i m writes