[OT] Music CDs

OK. Before Windows 3.0, PC's ran DOS as the operating system. There were audio cards around then for those machines. I tried a couple of systems running on DOS and then NT. I admit I have no idea what Apple products could or couldn't do in those days beyond text and maths and perhaps a bit of midi.

If I remember correctly, the RME Hammerfall cards were designed for Windows 2000 and also came with Mac drivers. That was in 2003-ish, much later, and was a very expensive card. For most practical stereo purposes, the earlier cards were just as good, but obviously things changed between 1995 and 2003.

That was before (1978?) IBM PC's existed and I was using some weird bus system, not being able to afford the then standard s-100 bus.

That was for Windows 95. I have no idea, but presumably he was more into synths than straight recording and may well not have liked Windows 3.1. The then-current Windows was not very artistically attractive.

Hmm, I don't think I ever encountered anyone using Macs for audio recording in the early days. Acer laptops were developed from the Texas Instruments laptops and were generally excellent machines. When their factory burnt down, I understand production moved, and later models no longer had the tiny internal dedicated audio boards. The audio performance of those early machines was quite sufficient for them to be used by me to carry out tests of things like s/n ratio, distortion etc. on pro studio desks.

They perhaps are into synths etc., but I suspect there is a lot of fashion involved.

The people that I know who use Macs do so to get something that will work out of the box. That favours a well controlled hardware and software system, rather than throwing all sorts of new hardware into a box and hoping it will work. Those that I know using PC's are using them to provide basic functions, such as audio recording, plus switching, fader control, logging etc. etc. There must be some people, but I haven't met anyone developing for a Mac in the way I have seen people developing features for onboard and outboard components of a PC-based installation.

OK.

True, but as I get older and less active, I still have a bunch of audio equipment here, and still use it with a couple of laptops as well as older PC's. Full use requires different interfaces for different situations as I need to choose between balanced/unbalanced line recording, mic recording, analogue mixer, digital mixer/control surface, usb and firewire. Things I no longer do, but have installed in the past include fader starting of equipment, light switching, control of moving acoustic elements and so on. Similarly, a friend who maintained medical equipment (CAT scanners etc.) used to spend his time swearing at PC's, but never encountered Macs.

I'm winding down now, but still processing old audio material, and some family members still actively play various music and instruments. I'm no doubt very out of date with most current thinking. Maybe the Raspberry Pi will become the system of choice in future. Certainly Windows 10, with forced program and driver updates, has already been a problem to me.

I really think there's a place for Macs and PC's, and maybe one day Linux will become a contender.

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Bill
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Apple-compliant cards could just be plugged in and used. No IRQs or other shit to configure, no card or memory conflicts. No DIP settings on the cards needed to avoid the machine refusing to boot.

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Tim Streater

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Which is all very good, but only if the (sound) card exists. A quick search online finds no evidence of there being any Apple soundcards other than simple music synthesisers to compete with the early PC soundcards like the Ad-Lib.

My memory is terrible, but I was fiddling around with this stuff from the mid 80's and don't remember Apple ever being mentioned in the early days of computer recording and playback, even in the mid 90's.

There was all the hassle with interrupts, jumpers and memory allocation on PC's, but this was the price to pay for the ability to combine various functions together in one machine. Very d-i-y if you ask me, especially in the days of the isa bus.

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Bill

about 8n years after audio cards came into existance.

At those times most used dedicated systems for audio. I don't remmebr seeing PCs or Macs on stage. I remmeber that most at uni at the time requesting Amegas and ataris for graphics and audio work. I set up a BBC computer with midi in the mid 80s, but MIDI isnlt really an audio card.

They were designed as PCI and PCI express card. Any computer that had that could with drivers run them. My friend ran it on a G4 tower with 2 SCSI 18GB 10,000 RPM drives.

his was £400, he had another card PCMIA for his G4 laptop .

That depends on what you mean by audio.

I'm refering to what people used generaly. We had an anchoic chamber testing speakers in the last 60s and early 70s. Computers weren't used then.

I don't think so, not sure what you mean by fashion though.

Isn;t that what everyone really wants.

Which is why bands like then. No one wants to start setting up and pluggign in PCI card on a PC or a Mac while on stage.

Next time you're at a live gig look at what is being used.

Yes lots of people have spent time swearing at PCs and it seems less so with Macs.

That was my friends plan in the late 90s early 2000s . For a time he was a session muscian for Dead Can Dance playing the violin mostly. A few years later he met me who had Macs, he couldn't believe how much less trouble they were in keeping them up and running. At that time he was more into grphics and was using lightwave to render stuff, his PC kept crashing, he was lucky if it stayed up long enough to renber a few frames. A few weeks later he bought a CRT iMac, he ran it for DAYS on end without it crashing I told him not to as it was running very hot but all was OK, so scrapped his PC's and started using Macs.

He's not the only one to have come to this conclusion.

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I dont think the Pi's will be the choice, peole will stick to laptops for most things for the foreseable future. It will be up to 3rd party developers for software. I know peole that use differing setups

Me too and peole will choose what they want or can afford. One reason macs are prefeered is because they wonlt release a cheap shitty laptop which everyone will expect to be bees knees. A friend had just bouhgt he's 3rd laptop which he thinks is simialr to an Aple laptop, but at £450 new I can;t see it being better than a macbook, but as the firures are twrice the size hard disc, nearly twice the memery and faster processor he thinks he;s getting a better deal.

The last time he made the same mistake was about 4 years ago when he brough agreat laptop with better specs than the mac the only problem was he could see the screen properly as he could only see it when held at a specific angle and then his friend couldn't see what was on the screen while sitting next to him, then it keep freezing, then the keyboard went 'funny' 2 month after warrenty and he'd only used it a few time. So all in all £250 wasted. But yuo pay yuor money and make a choice, for the majority Apple are too expensive for the specs quoted, which is like picking a wife based on tit size, which might not be a bad way of going about things ;-)

No I doubt that very much as I heard that years ago regarding photographers and it hasn;t happened.

You see linus users in gernal don;t like spending money on computers or software so I doubt adobe will invest much in writing an app for people that don't like buying software as there's little if no profit in it.

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whisky-dave

One graphics company specialising in TV quiz show etc in vision software was still using ancient Acorn RPCs when last I worked with them. I did ask why, and one part of the answer (apart from writing the software themselves) was that they didn't have to worry so much about the security of the hardware when having a break. After all who would nick such old stuff?

A great deal of pro software used in broadcast (and publishing) did indeed start out Mac based. But that might just be because it originated in the US, where Macs were more popular than in the UK. UK based software - like that used by Calrec and Audiofile - was PC based.

Not really well up today, being retired, but much of that software once Mac based has been ported over to PC too. Likely due to Apple doing everything they can to make things difficult. ;-)

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Dave Plowman (News)

Apple never made soundcards. I don't think IBM or Dell made them either.

Before then the computer was in the musical instrument. I remmeber the first mac around april 1984, out of teh box is started making sounds you could add files to it so say "wow it's so big" and is this a piece of your brain" on startup ejecting a disc and other thing while the PC went beep beep.

Which Apple didn't have due to the architecture. This was one of the mnajor diferncies between the chip they used.

Not everyone wanted to mess about fingers crossed they wanted computers to work and do what they wanted out of the box. People started to see the advantage of paying more for getting what you want, not everyone even today relises this and for a large propotion of people it doesn't concern them. Some wonlt even consider a wine that cost less than £10 a bottle and I won't consider one that's more than £7, well haven't yet.

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whisky-dave

Really? I've had 3 iMacs.

The last I sold to a mate and is now 10 years old and running daily as a DAW on original hardware except the hard disk (which I replaced when nearly new).

Current is 5 years old - no problems at all (yet).

And I gather from Apple newsgroups that they're generally quite reliable

- HD failures maybe, and the odd documented fault affecting particular machines.

I've also had a couple of Mac Minis - again, 100% reliable - I gather they're used in some data centres too.

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RJH

So nothing to do with the actual platform.

What software was this then ? are you refering to MS office ?

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whisky-dave

You think MS office broadcast or publishing software?

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Dave Plowman (News)

Where did you get that from ? I said nothing about broadcast or publishing software. You seem to be the one to claim that it was Mac based and moved to the PC.

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whisky-dave

Yup. Having used both professionally - neither better nor worse.

At least in Windows the dispatcher works, and runs the highest priority thread when a mutex goes free - not keeps running the same one...

Andy

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Vir Campestris

I went off that when some scanner software deleted all the little white spots on one slide of the Lake District.

They were sheep.

Andy

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Vir Campestris

A lot of that was down to shitty 3rd party drivers, which is why I have a tee shirt from MS from a major compatibility plugfest they ran.

That is of course not a problem on a Mac - there are no third party anythings.

Andy

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Vir Campestris

So for a quarter of the price of a mac he bought a machine with more ram and an HD twice the size.

Then found the quality wasn't as good.

That's like comparing a BMW with a Trabant.

Andy

Reply to
Vir Campestris

Yes there is.

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whisky-dave

No, that it was bad, virtually unusable. been in a draw most of it's 5 year life.

True. So you'd buy a Trabant because it looked like a BMW ?

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whisky-dave

News to me. What?

Andy

Reply to
Vir Campestris

No.

But I wouldn't expect a BMW for the price of a trabby.

Your friend apparently does.

Andy

Reply to
Vir Campestris

Printers. Scanners. Memory. Discs. Video cards.

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The Natural Philosopher

Indeed. I have a Canon printer/scanner, Crucial memory and SSD, external disks from OWC.

The video card is the built-in one as it is perfectly adequate.

I just updated the OS on my Mac Mini, skipping three major versions. It took an hour or so. Everything continues to run as it did before updating. Which is why I regard these threads about doing this or that on a Windows box with a certain amount of bemusement.

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Tim Streater

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