[OT]Multi-function printer

Following on from the recommendation(s) for a shredder, I now need a colour printer/copier. (I am retiring and having to give back the stuff I was provided with in order to allow me to work at home).
I presently have an OfficeJet 4620 which is an evil, slow, unreliable, expensive to run, noisy, festering heap of shit.
IME, all inkjets (this is the third different one from different manufacturers I have had) suck syphilitic donkey cock.
Are there any that don't?
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On 10/08/2015 12:42, Huge wrote:

Canons all-in-ones have always been pretty reliable in my experience - scanner isn't quite as good as my dedicated HP one. It makes sense to get one for which cheap reputable third party inks are available.
I have standardised on Canon inkjets taking 525 & 526 cartridges. YMMV
Although I do have a laser printer for most of my work. It depends really on how much space you are prepared to devote to hardware.
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:55:28 +0100, Martin Brown

I am very happy with my HP LJ1022. It was an unwanted item someone gave to me, and when the toner ran out I bought a bottle of generic magnetic toner powder for the princely sum of 7.80USD and found a tutorial on Youtube. Still fine two years later, although admittedly it doesn't get heavily used.
I'm quite looking forward to doing it again.
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Don't care about scanner. I have an excellent Epson one for that.

That's a good idea, given the cost of the inks (which up until now, I haven't had to pay for, just flinch at their cost.)

I have a B&W laser, but my wife is insisting that she needs a colour copier. Space isn't that much of an issue.
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Think you'll find any common make/model has aftermarket carts available for a fraction of the 'genuine' price. But whether they still will be throughout the life of the printer, dunno.
Every single printer I've had hasn't lasted that well. Including a cheap mono laser. But all have been domestic ones, Cannon, HP and Epsom.
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On 10/08/2015 2:20 PM, Huge wrote:

Ink in mfc cartridges estimated to be £3000 per ltr
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2288221/The-great-printer-rip-It-costs-vintage-champers--devious-new-tricks-mean-constantly-buy-refills.html
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On 10/08/2015 12:55, Martin Brown wrote:

I have had several HP machines over the years (scanners, printers, all-in-one).
I would never, ever, go near one again due to their appalling software and drivers.
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On 13/08/2015 09:46, JoeJoe wrote:

The older stuff back when they were a reputable hardware maker were pretty good. I still have a hand me down laserjet running in the VH.
Their physical hardware was always better than their drivers.

Their drivers are not all *that* bad - my ancient HP scanner would disappear off the radar if the machine ever slept but it wasn't exactly serious. It made excellent image scans for the day.
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On 13/08/15 09:46, JoeJoe wrote:

Fortunately, on Linux you don't need their software and drivers, and it actually works rather well when you do use it
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On 10/08/2015 12:42, Huge wrote:

The main problem with inkjet printers is that they waste a lot of ink priming their jets each time they are used. So if you only use them occasionally, they use a lot of ink pro-rata compared with printing a big batch in one go.
Laser printers don't seem to suffer from this problem. Have you considered an all-in-one based on a colour laser printer - particularly if you don't want to print a lot of glossy photographs?
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On paper colour lasers work out cost effective only if you are prepared to invest a lot of cash in the first place. My last HP would have cost me £2 10 to replace the toner cartridges when they all ran out almost at the same time. For the occasional use I was making of it that was a lot of cash to be sitting on the desk doing nothing most of the time. Junked the HP and in vested in a Canon Pixmia been very happy with both scanning and printing re sults.
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On 10/08/2015 13:22, Tricky Dicky wrote:

Need not be that much if you don't mind such an ugly brute.
> My last HP would have cost me £210 to replace the toner cartridges when they all ran out almost at the same time.
Critical to choose one for which decent cheap third party toners are available. I could refill my dead Dell toner cartridges but at present I can buy new clones cheaper than the refill toner.

> Junked the HP and invested in a Canon Pixmia been very happy with both scanning and printing results.

Canon Pixma taking 525/526 cartridges would be my suggestion too.
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On 10/08/2015 13:38, Martin Brown wrote:

I have an MP190 which IIRC takes these cartridges. The one disadvantage is that when one colour runs out, the whole colour cartridge mist be replaced. Cannon do make machines which take separate ink tanks for each colour.
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On 10/08/2015 14:27, Malcolm Race wrote:

525/526 are separate CMYK cartridges. Avoid any with CMY altogether.
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i've rewcently bought an HP470 inkjet printer/scanner. It was got as a portable copier - a job it does excellently. It does use 3 separate colour cartridges.
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Yup, the dell printer I have is pretty cheap toner wise (none of this silly combined drum and toner stuff)

They seem to sell as separate cartridges, so I think not.
I've got a Canon Pixma MG7150, doesn't take those cartridges, but uses the 550/551 ones. (it uses 6 cartridges - it also has a grey one). Third party ones easily available at reasonable prices.
I got it at a good deal and wanted to use it for printing photos mostly. Otherwise I'd have gone for a cheaper one.
They have two black cartridges, AIUI one of which is used for printing black text/monochrome documents
The printer/scanning bit has all worked fine.
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On 10/08/2015 14:27, Malcolm Race wrote:

All together now - "OH YES THEY DO!"
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On 10/08/2015 13:38, Martin Brown wrote:

Our two Canon printers use 550/551 which are similar. Unbranded cartridges are cheap but I've switched to ARC (Automatic Reset Chip) cartridges. These can be refilled with bottled ink, which works out even cheaper. Once empty, the chip reports "full" whenever they are removed then reinserted.
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Reentrant wrote:

Exactly, I use canon, as they are the best to refill, got a set of empty ink tanks with auto reset chips and fill from 250 ml bottles,(which cost me about the same for three colours and 2 blacks,one pigment and one dye)as a full set of canon inks. this lot lasts me for 2 or three years even printing lots of a4 glossy photos. Bit tricky,I fill when it says tank low but does not reset at this point so I wait for ink empty indication and lift the tank and push back down, then it resets.This method makes sure that it always has ink as if you wait for empty sign to fill, the tanks look too empty to me.
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On 10/08/2015 13:38, Martin Brown wrote:

Indeed. You can currently get a complete set of (I think) five compatible cartridges from 7DayShop for about a fiver. I've just bought 3 sets, which should keep my wife's printer going for quite a while.
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