Local small bore rifle ranges were quite common in the post war years.
Much declined now.
My uncle was an armaments officer in the RAF and shot regularly at
Bisley. If Keswick rifle club are still in being, I hope the Anschutz
.22, gifted on his death, was of use. Hardly much use for back of
I have to say that, listening as I do to quite a bit of American radio,
the NRA's adverts are quite good. They just name a few officials and
then say how these are voting to kill your right to get out for a good
They certainly do make it sound like fun. :-)
I'm no fan of static target shooting but disciplines like 'Practical
I can also see the entertainment value in working with, maintaining,
firing (and cleaning <g>) some of the older rifles and pistols, partly
as an appreciation of the engineering / military history and partly
making it go bang (and maybe making a hole in a bit of paper 100 yards
The way we in the UK used to allow public ownership of nitro powdered
pistols was a world away from the open / concealed carry in the US and
I'm pretty sure gun crime is currently way up over what it was when UK
citizens could hold their own 'sporting equipment'.
Cheers, T i m
Some years back I worked with weapons, from an engineering
perspective. Technically I found the testing of various parameters of
what left various barrels fascinating.
I never ever fired a single weapon personally.
I did find that there was an unhealthy interest in guns though, by a
fair spread of the visitors to my place of work. We used to do demos
of the weapons and equipment for the visitors. I rapidly lost interest
in seeing guns being fired, but I was amazed at some of the
expressions on visitors faces when I turned my observations to them
instead of the weaponry.
I thought then, much as I do now that there is something about
firearms that attracts the wrong people.
On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:51:59 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp
It is indeed.
Assuming they had gone there to view such activities, wasn't that to
Yup, like my mate did with chocolate when working at Cadbury's or the
strippers for the barman at the strip club.
I watched a bit of 'Mud Men' on TV yesterday when they had a chance to
fire a machine gun. Ignoring it's design purpose, I could see exactly
why running a couple of belts though such would be a real blast for
most people (if only once).
I agree, when you describe the interest as 'unhealthy', but for many
they are just a work tool (hunter, gamekeeper, farmer or soldier) or a
piece of sporting equipment (clay shooter, target shooter, biathlon
etc), no different to them as a shot or pole to others.
But (ignoring the Army or Police etc), there is a massive difference
between the above and anyone who takes anything (gun, knife, sock full
of snooker balls, pencil or fist) and uses it to cause harm to another
living creature and for no justifiable reason.
Cheers, T i m
I can vouch for that. 30(ish) years ago I got the chance to live fire a
range of weapons in an afternoon with the UK military: Pistol, sniper
rifle, SA80, light machine gun (a box of belt ammunition), heavy machine
gun (a box of belt ammunition), heavy mortar (with high explosive
ammunition) and a chain gun. I got a real buzz from the experience.
This was part of a one week course aimed at educating civilians
designing equipment used by the military.
The high points of the weeks activities were countered by some very low
points such as being trotted down to the obstacle course in a full
Nuclear Biological Chemical suit and only then being allowed to remove
the mask to complete the obstacle course. I don't think I've been so
cold, wet and muddy since the 24 hour exercise where we were made to
crawl through a farm yard, in complete darkness, that had been recent
vacated by a herd of cows
The military could be worse than anyone.
At my site one of the MOD police held up a HPTO at gunpoint. The site
was not large, everyone was on first name terms.
The police were not normally armed though, this one got his thrill
because the IRA were performing.
This was aimed at more experienced engineers/designers who could
influence a design. The messages that the military were trying to get
over were done in a subtle way that would be remembered.
Another high point was driving a Warrior armoured vehicle and a
Chieftain tank at high speed across very rough terrain. One simple thing
they pointed out at the same time that there is no free space in these
vehicles and every piece of equipment is a potential step to get in and
out of the hatches. In addition, fit a toggle switch to the front of the
equipment and match it with a size 10 army boot and the toggle breaks off.
There were very many such messages during the week on everything from
electronic equipment to clothing, food, tents, sleeping bags,
ammunition, jamming guns etc.
On a classroom morning we ate in the officers mess for lunch but on some
field days field rations were provided. I don't know what was added to
the food but I didn't have a shit for 4 days.
I'd hope that didn't really need explaining to any designer did it?
From my exposure to the Civil Service they are often both pushing the
boundaries (Martlesham Heath?) and sticking with what they know / have
)often for a good few years, albeit over various versions).
That might be handy if in a field. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
 I used to race RC catamarans (one of two sponsored drivers) and
designed and built a lid catch that was easy to make, fit, adjust and
use but near impossible to get off without pressing in the right
place. It needed to be like that because you had the get the lid on
quickly after starting but didn't want it coming off it the boat hit
the water upside down at high speed, if it was hit by another boat or
if was picked up by a marshal by the lid etc.
I just looked:
led me to
which has some other links. It boils down to:
- There are very few of these weapons in the UK. 64 licensed ones; there
seems to be some evidence that there are a lot more than that around.
- There's a suggestion that one of these 64 might get stolen, and
someone might get murdered. So they want to invent another new law to
add to our existing tons of red tape to cover those 64 legal weapons.
And the NRA take?
"We are reviewing the proposals and working up our response"
So currently - no, they are not opposing those clauses.
Though it would seem to me perfectly reasonable if they were. They have
a valid use in target shooting.
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