Good lord. If they didn't read both they would never have even been considered. It's also clear they don't consistently do the latter correctly. I'm beginning to think you're some place else.
NT
Is there something in the water round here? Do you think a computerised electronic meter is incapable of calculating dc current, even if imperfectly?
NT
You have already had the sources in my post at 10:17 yesterday. That's the one that even included an extract from one as you seem reluctant to follow links. I'll even give it to you again with added emphasis:
"Which consumption and tariff data will be available via DCC?
? The electricity consumption (kWh) or gas consumption (m3) in every half-hourly period for the last 13 months;
[pay careful attention now the next bit's important]? For electricity, 3 months of half-hourly export data (kWh) and 3 months of half-hourly data on reactive [NB that's REACTIVE] energy imported and exported (kvarh);"
It really would help to know which "specs" you are working from. They have changed over time.
I'm in the place where you posted:
"no they don't, the specs deal with real power but don't address the imaginary power, ie the out of phase current component"
I'm not reading a dozen documents, no.
that adds precisely nothing to our discussion. I'm beginning to think you're somewhere else.
NT
Indubitably! But I'm complaining about the terminology in the quoted document, not the policy.
Same here, and I don't have gas.
that also adds no useful information. Oh well.
NT
arse/elbow confusion? there are certainly tales of woe from customers on the suppliers' forums where electric-only customers have been hassled to have SM fitted, only to be denied when it came to install *because* they had no gas ... whether this has changed recently due to SMETS2, I don't know
The 'specs' as in those published by the IEC do include reactive.
Reactive has been metered for non domestic supplies for a very long time, many decades before electronic meters were first introduced
Many electronic 'domestic' meters as in those deployed before smart meters were even thought of can already measure, and totalise reactive
Exactly really
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Does anyone know when said roll-out is expected?
Are fixed prices good value? I've always been a bit wary of them on principle, but I've never really tried to do a serious comparison.
snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com presented the following explanation :
You seem to be the one who is failing to understand and is being selective of research documents to support your view, that SM's systematically over-read by large margins. None of which is borne out by anyone's real world experience of SM's.
I am highly critical of SM's, but have no complaints at all about their accuracy, or suitability. I am very critical of they way they have been rushed out, lacking compatibility between suppliers and are now having to go through the process a second time with SMETS2 replacements. A vast waste of public money.
Well they are due to be installed here on 3 July - replacing old smart meters. (And I do still have my block and spare tails ready in case of a wide area hack!)
Dan S. MacAbre expressed precisely :
Fixed or variable, they are both a gamble. They are a gamble by the customer on how prices might change in the next 12/18/24 contracted months. They are also a gamble by the energy supplier too.
As a consumer, it makes it possible to predict what I will have to pay for my energy for the coming future of my contract.
I was on a fixed contract with my supplier for 12 months and they offered a slightly cheaper contract 3 months after the 12 months began, but for 18 months, so I swapped and incurred no fees. My suppliers own web site, recommended I change contract tarrif.
The deals being offered, seem to vary by the week, depending on whether the suppliers are seeking new customers or not. They also vary considerably based on your postcode.
They can, but if that is of no interest then you can insist on a dumb meter. If the company insist on the smart meter than move company. There are plenty with decent tariffs who don't...
Yes.
Yes.
Very likely yes. Unless that capability was put in the original silicon. I suppose we could find out.
I just have. I don't see anything in the T&Cs and it certainly was not obvious when I signed up. The initial sign up failed because of a problem with the meter number on the national database.
The meter is quite an old mechanical one.
Michael Chare brought next idea :
I've not been able to find it on the eon website, but I think (pretty sure) I remember accepting an SM was listed as a condition of my own V13 tariff - listed in the summary for V13.
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