I am probably going to change my electricity supplier (i.e. the people I
pay for the supply) to make a small saving.
This has lead me to wonder about smart meters. I would quite like one if
it would provide the data for me to end up with an MS excel graph
showing how much power I use in each hour of the day. Is this likely to
be possible? I don't want to read the meter every hour, I could do that now.
From what I have learnt so far, not all meters are the same, and if you
have one and then change supplier, the new supplier may say that the
meter is incompatible with their systems.
I should say that as a way of life supplying meter readings once a year
and then sorting out the bill is quite good enough for me.
Once upon a time, back in the 70s, electricity had to be rationed due
to supply problems. This was done in the only way possible at the
time: rolling power cuts.
These days, like lines of pensioners queueing outside a
possibly-collapsing bank, this sort of thing is very bad publicity
for the government. They have made it a law to keep the news of
possible bank failures secret, so that gets rid of that particular
The next one is when we start to run out of electricity, currently
thought to be in 2015, due to the policy of appeasing the greens by
closing perfectly viable coal-fired power-stations and replacing them
with nothing effective. No-one dare mention the N-word, and anyway
it's too late to get them rolling by then.
So, the government needs to deal with this uncomfortable situation yet
get itself off the hook. The method? Smart meters!
You pay the £11bn cost, and the electricity companies can now change
the price of electricity moment by moment, the
near-instantanous readings being sent by the smart meter so there's no
escape except to turn things off. So, at no cost to itself, the
government can say 'nothing to do with us, sunshine', while
pensioners freeze and we all get used to using cooking the evening
meal at midnight and using the washing-machine at 3:00am.
Of course, having the smart meters in place beforehand means that they
know your usage pattern, so any attempt to fiddle the meter will stand
I think it would be a brave government that would allow the power
companies to bring in dynamic pricing to a greater extent than we have
There is a conundrum :I can see that more information about my
electricity usage is useful to me, but my enthusiasm for sharing this
data with others is somewhat limited.
What I need is my own wired in smart meter.
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:34:10 +0100, Michael Chare wrote:
There are a number of "energy monitors" out there. Clip a small
current transformere aound one of the CU tails that connects to a
box, that wirelessly transmits the data to a display unit. Some have
logging built in and computer interfaces so you can see your energy
I have a CurrentCost unit, works well and is fairly accurate, less
than a unit/day adrift from the real meter. Can have a USB connection
to a computer, it squirts realtime data over that every 6 seconds or
so. It logs stuff itself and periodicaly sends the historical data as
well. This data is in a published XML format so easy to work with.
Wish I did, but that would mean keeping a searchable record of all
news items I read, and I don't know anyone that does that.
This describes the approximate equivalent in the US:
"Deposit insurance systems insure each depositor up to a certain
amount, so that depositors' savings are protected even if the bank
fails. This removes the incentive to withdraw one's deposits simply
because others are withdrawing theirs. However, depositors may
still be motivated by fears they may lack immediate access to
deposits during a bank reorganization. To avoid such fears
triggering a run, the U.S. FDIC keeps its takeover operations secret,
and re-opens branches under new ownership on the next business
day. Government deposit insurance programs can be ineffective if
the government itself is perceived to be running short of cash."
The secrecy to which I referred might not relate to a failing bank per
se, but the BoE/government's actions in preventing said bank
collapsing. In any case, it stops the queues of wrinkies because they
don't know their bank is going under.
Anyone know any different?
Since banks started to fall over. It was mentioned in a report a few
years ago, but apart from noting the item, I didn't keep a reference,
and being unfamiliar with banking regulation terminology, can't advise
where it might be found.
It could be argued that since deposits are guaranteed up to a
certain level, a run on a bank by wrinklies effectively neither
helps them or the bank, hence the regulation. The US has a similar
scheme to restrict such publication.
On Friday, 20 September 2013 15:17:52 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
It's not hacking that worries me so much as remote-disconnect it the hands of the power company. A little glitch from your bank, or one of those 2-million-quid bills, and they'll be power-mad keen to disconnect you at the press of a button.
(the hackers won't wait for a full roll-out, there'll be a new exploit every few weeks, until the meter supplier wises up - and finally discovers security)
In fact the hackers will create plausible doubt - that bill can't be right.
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