OT: First we drown them, now we burn them alive?

Mmmmm makin' bacon ....

totaly

is that a selfie timmy ? .....

I wish I was that cute Crazy Jim!

Cheers, T i m

bet you are

It is a scientific fact (as opposed to a vegan 'fact') that correlation is not causation. no matter how much you would like it to be so except where the evidence points against veganism.

Heavens above, the next thing you'll be claiming as a 'vegan fact' is that hens menstruate.

Very sad, although I expect the smell of crispy bacon must have been awesome :-)

Aww, thanks Jimmykins!

Cheers, Timmy.

what a strange fellow you are......

In message snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com, T i m snipped-for-privacy@spaced.me.uk> writes

Tim. with the greatest respect, this is the 4th. OT posting alerting us to your dietary conversion. Clearly it is very important to you. Why not take it to a forum where you will find people engaged in the food production activities you find so abhorrent?

well said it has NOTHING to do with DIY

oh the irony ....... tee hee ...............................

Cheers, T i m

"Dietary conversion". Also with respect, wtf?

OOI, I can't remember you ever jumping in on all the racist, political BS that's often posted here with no OT marking or any description? You are welcome to also killfile me (or just not read such posts) if you have killfiled them. ;-)

It's actually pretty important to all of us?

Oh, people making money out of the cruelty to animals? I'm sure they would be highly receptive to any thoughts of giving up the practice. ;-(

No, the people I am hoping to contact are the very people who are here and hoping some might consider or deeper consider what 'man' is doing to both animals and indirectly itself and *maybe* they might make some changes (to their lifestyle > choice of food source) themselves.

But thank you for highlighting the confusion many are still under re the key point ethical veganism. You probably haven't noted I have spoken more of cruelty to animals, the resources consumed and the pollution created, than I have the food?

Cheers, T i m

Hence the very clear OT: in the subject Jimmikins.

You should try practicing what you preach, given 99% of what you post is complete OT bollox!

Cheers, Tee Hee

Oh, and maybe you just need to hope there aren't any *more* man made mass animal death atrocities this month ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

Please give it a rest. The way to clean up a cesspool is not to piss in it some more.

It's futile - they aren't listening. Find another place where the discussion is on-topic, and you'll find people who are interested in it. You'll have a better discussion and it'll be less of a waste of time.

Shall we talk about DIY instead?

Theo

Erm, so OT: posts aren't allowed from anyone any more?

But that's not true Theo. There are obviously people reading, even if they aren't all replying (and I can see why they might not, it being 'me' and the difficulty of the subject) because several (non trolls) have replied with their neutral observations.

But isn't that like preaching to the converted?

I don't need to highlight anything on a vegan forum because they all know it already.

There is no point me mentioning on a 'Farmers Forum' (like the one Tim linked to) because 1) I'm not a Farmer (a prerequisite) and 2) They have answers that don't take into account real animal welfare. They might just need to conform to the minimum acceptable levels as agreed by the bodies supposedly looking after the (mostly physical) welfare of the animals (RSPCA etc) and the might of the meat producers. eg, The thresholds are heavily biased.

See above. All my message were marked OT: and *no one* is obliged to read them or reply. ;-)

Again, I'm not looking for / expecting a 'better discussion', I never was. No one trying to do right for others when the norm is the opposite has had an easy ride and arguing with the trolls helps me refine my understanding on it all with people who don't matter. ;-)

Several others (non trolls) have replied with valid and good points.

Well, as long as you police all the other non d-i-y threads with equal zest, marked OT: or otherwise, then yes please. ;-)

As I said to Tim, it 'just happens' 6000 cattle (drowned) and 2000 pigs (burned) have died unusual deaths, sooner than they otherwise might ... and that timing wasn't of my doing. ;-(

Kuality bollox if you don't mind ..

Yes natural ones are so much better... just ask the crispy koalas caught in the Australian wild fires.