Brexit supporters have said a trade deal with the US would go a long way
to replace lost trade with the EU after we leave. And implies the US would
be queueing up to make one.
That may be - but only on their terms as the Bombardier thing shows.
And whatever happened to the EU controlling everything governments and
business does? Which was said to make us uncompetitive to export anything
I dunno the full details of government subsidies to Bombardier. But what
it does show is the UK can not go back to having 'sovereignty' over
everything it does. Not as regards trade.
*A day without sunshine is like... night.*
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:24:45 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
AFAIC, if the Americans have uncovered hard evidence that this company
has been in receipt of unfair under-the-table subsidies from the
government then we owe them a debt of gratitude. This kind of thing needs
to be stamped out wherever it occurs in the world - and very firmly!
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On 27/09/2017 15:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
It doesn't bode well for Brexit free trade with the US though.
The US view of free trade is we sell to you, you buy from us (or else).
Britain on its own will get a much worse deal with the US than if we
were negotiating as a part of the much larger EU.
US was always protectionist even before Trumps America first policy.
The Japanese would buy world class analytical kit from overseas but the
US continued to buy only domestically made inferior gear for a very long
time until they finally caught on. This was back in the 1980's.
The funniest was when Bush senior foisted a bilateral trade agreement of
supplying some US cars and components that were fit only for landfill
onto Japan (he threw up over their Prime Minister for good measure).
What use is a shabby unreliable oversize left hand drive car in a small
country that drives on the left like Japan (or the UK)?
It will be interesting to see if our supine "government" can do anything
about this or just allows Bombardier to be shafted by Boeing lobbyists.
but they probably haven't been
they are probably just in receipt of money which is on offer to encourage
companies to relocate to areas which, usually due to political unrest, are
difficult to persuade companies to move to
Germany used to do this for Berlin (when it was an island inside the Iron
Curtain. No-one thought this the slightest bit unreasonable)
The US have always been duplicitous bastards and while they were
certainly an asset in various conflicts where they supported the UK it
was done at a price and as soon as those conflicts were over a lot of
technological power sharing suddenly came to an ended less we might
compete with them, unfortunately because they speak English much of
the population of this country thinks they may hold a soft spot for
the UK when really we are just another bunch of foreigners to them to
be turned over at the slightest opportunity. The present President
has at least been open about his Put his America First stance which
got him a lot of support to be elected as such.
You talk about a deal with the US being the Icing on a cake and not
the cake, where ever that Cake is in the rest of the world you can bet
that the US wants that as well and will use every trick in the book to
stop others including us to get any of it, we will be lucky if we even
get any crumbs.
Perhaps the UK should be a member of a bigger union of nations who
together may be able to resist the US bully boy tactics, hang on a
moment we are leaving one , oh well there is always the Commonwealth
who can probably send a nasty letter to them.
So it looks like the US may end being responsible for closing down a
valuable export operation because it competes with on of their own
what do we replace that revenue with that we may not be in competition
with them on ,millons of biscuit tins with pictures of the Queen on
Not only an asset, but the reason you arent speaking german.
Why the fuck should they have done it for free when it was
you stupid europeans that started both those world wars ?
Oh bullshit. And why should they be sharing
technology when there is no world war anyway ?
Plenty of them do. They didn't have to get involved
in WW1 at all but saved your bacon anyway.
Same with the support they provided before Pearl Harbour.
Even sillier than you usually manage with the Marshall Plan alone.
Yes, because so many of their jobs have been exported to china.
Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying something.
It already is, the WTO which just happens
to be BY FAR the biggest union of nations
the world has ever seen apart from the UN.
And Britain was with the commonwealth too.
They already have with the UN alone.
The commonwealth doesn't do letters.
Or its just more Trump bluster and bullshit.
There will be no loss of revenue in trade with the
EU, you watch. The vast bulk of what Britain exports
to the EU they can't get from anywhere else.
I can't even see to many currently into the best single
malt scotch changing to Irish whisky any time soon.
Britain has done fine with aircraft engines, docos, TV series,
financial services etc, even tho it no longer matters with movies.
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