Lighting wiring

[Andy Burns]

Would these save enough time for a pro to justify £5/light? Or would apprentices still manage to f*ck them up somehow?

[Tim Watts]

I can see these being popular for downlight applications.

I do wonder how well these work with 1mm2 though, especially the CPC as it's particularly flimsy with no insulation.

[Fredxx]

Perhaps until we see the price tag?

I wonder if they'll have one for 2-way switching, and one that takes an intermediate switch?

I would imagine there would have to be guides to assist?

[dennis]

ARW's apprentii can screw anything up.

Now all that is needed is a coloured stripe down one side of the T&E and it will be easy to spot when they have done it backward.

[Andy Burns]

£5 (that's the retail their web shop)

They could make one, but normally the 3&E strapper would just run between the switches, not back to the junction box.

Small demand I suppose.

Someone else has a review video, but it's a bit slow-paced

[Fredxx]

OK but that then means another T+E to a switch.

Looks a neat box.

The issue of removing a wire worried me and this video allays that concern, where a simple tool allows the extraction of a wire.

There are perhaps better systems for multiple downlights?

[Fredxx]

That's not a silly idea! Your signal to noise has improved recently.

[Harry Bloomfield]

Fredxx laid this down on his screen :

..and one which allows for more the two power cables, more than one load cable?

They seem fine, but only as a direct replacement where a joint box would be used, with just basic cables. They are not a replacement for where a ceiling rose would normally be used.

[ARW]

And 1.5mm T&E cpc is different?

[ARW]

I have just had a look at his videos. Not bad IMHO.

[Tim Watts]

No, indeed it is also 1mm2 :-|

[dennis]

He didn't sleeve the switched live. I don't see that he could.

[Robin]

I'd have thought that providing strain relief for the different cables would be a bit more of a challenge. And oddly the site seems to have removed the FAQ which mentioned strain relief[1]. I can't see from the videos how it's done but assume the cable is clamped as the fitting slides in.

[1] From Google's cache:

"Is Quickwire 17th edition compliant? Is there built in strain relief to stop wires getting pulled out?

The 17th edition is a code of practice for installers rather than manufactures, but having said that we obviously designed Quickwire so that installers can comply using our product. Our Quickwire junction boxes have completed testing to BS EN 60670-22 in conjunction with BS EN

60670-1:2005 + A1:2013 (Boxes and enclosures for electrical accessories for household and similar fixed electrical installations).

It is currently in testing for BS 5733 specifically for ?maintenance-free accessories?. This is a punishing test that unfortunately takes 15 weeks. Once we have this we can then say the product does not require maintenance and therefore can be installed anywhere even if there is no access."

[Mike Clarke]

I don't see that he would need to in that situation.

[Andy Burns]

It is effectively marked "Ls" for switched live by the printing on the connector itself, sounds like they are planning a 3&E version for two-way switching.

I wonder if they'll try to make click'n'play switches and ceiling roses, and maybe a 6 or 8 way splitter?

[Fredxx]

Do conventional junction boxes have any strain relief? Most rely upon the screw terminals directly on the wire to keep things in place.

I didn't think strain relief was a requirement for fixed wiring?

One wonders what this 15 week test is?

[Tim Watts]

Normally you would clip the cable near where it enters the JB. But that assumes the JB is fixed - many are just floating around in ceiling voids and to be fair, under those conditions it's unlikely to get a cable yanked.

[Robin]

I wondered if "fixed" is the right adjective for a junction box pushed through a 32mm hole and which is likely face movement over its life when ceiling fittings are changed - even if the apprentice doesn't end up hanging from the chandelier ;)

In any event, I think the makers ought to indicate whether or not the junction boxes have means for clamping (and if so whether retention or anchorage) and I can't find it.