Lidl SDS drill - first look

Well, it is a bit unusual.
What it will do:
SDS hammer drill up to 10mm drill
"Normal" drilling with variable 2 speed.
Screw driving with variable 2 speed forward and reverse.
Interesting bit:
It takes SDS+ bits, and also comes with an SDS to screw driver hex bit holder, and three wood bits which fit the hex bit holder. It does not come with a normal drill chuck (as most bigger SDS drills do). [ I do happen to have a spare SDS to drill chuck adapter, though :-) ] It won't take short screw driver bits - only long ones. You would need special HSS drills with hex ends (which makes me think they may not want you drilling using HSS bits but I may be wrong).
What it won't do:
No roto stop - so no chisel operation. Then again it is so light that it would be a pretty ineffective chisel anyway.
The battery looks different to the one on the Lidl combi drill driver. Supplied by Einhell and no link to a web site to buy a second battery.
So all in all this is not a budget equivalent to the hunky builders' cordless SDS drill. It is about the same weight as a standard cordless drill but it can use SDS bits so looks useful for those tight jobs and one handed use where you can't easily use a monster mains SDS drill.
So I think it will be fine for use on lighter jobs, and I have my mains big sod off breaker/SDS drill for anything requiring brutality.
It does double up as a screw driver but doesn't have torque settings so not as useful as the combi drill drivers.
Looks like a Parsons Egg but fits my needs.
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Thanks for the review, most useful.
Does it come with a case?
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:56:41 +0100, fred wrote:

Yes, it comes with a plastic case. Quite compact.
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Sold!
Actually meant to buy one on the way past today but it didn't happen.
It will save me carrying the big one about when I'm just drilling for a few plugs.
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On 20/04/2015 16:06, David wrote:

Does it *feel* like an SDS (as opposed to hammer) drill when drilling into concrete?
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:31:11 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

All I've done so far is stroke the green plastic.
I haven't used it in anger.
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:31:11 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

That thought drifted through my mind as well. Is it a real SDS drill or just a hammer drill with an SDS chuck?
I'd look at the lidl website but a) their SEO is crap they aren't on the first page of google fed "lidl sds" b) the site is a javascript ridden heap of poo that doesn't even render properly with javascript on.
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On Monday, 20 April 2015 19:28:59 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote:

You mean does it come with SDS?
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On 21/04/2015 20:59, Weatherlawyer wrote:

No, I mean what I ask! I know it comes with an SDS chuck and takes SDS drill bits.
If you drill concrete with an ordinary hammer drill, you have to use quite a lot of pressure, and it takes a long time. If you use a decent SDS drill, it goes into concrete like it was cheese.
I'm asking which of those is a closer description of the performance of this particular tool.
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It does appear to have an SDS 'pump', drilling is relatively slow (see my other post) and it does not appear to start pumping properly until it is at full speed in high range, but it does have that pressure free action once it gets going and the drilled holes are precise.
What you shouldn't expect is the brick splitting power of a mains SDS, I didn't check what the claimed 1 Joule impact force meant before purchase but I now find that even a basic (50quid) mains SDS offers 8 Joules impact.
Much as David has suggested, I had hoped for about half the power of a mains SDS but it seems significantly below that.
This is based on my test drilling on approx hundred year old medium hardness brick.
I'll report back later with my comparison with my Li-ion combi.
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:23:04 +0100, fred wrote:

Just remembered - the manual (yes, I do RTFM) states that the SDS drill needs to be run in before it achieves full potential.
Having read through the entire manual (including all the various ways you can damage the battery and render it unsafe, including looking at it sideways in an overly aggressive manner) I found the additional slip of paper.
This says that it takes about 10 holes to run the SDS mechanism in and achieve full performance.
So I need to ask - was your formal testing recorded against the eleventh hole? ;-)
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:46:59 +0000, David wrote:
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I wonder if the company is using the same advertising consultant as Russ Andrews?
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On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 11:19:45 PM UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote:

I posted a review on Monday in a different thread for anyone who's interested:
https://groups.google.com/forum /#!topic/uk.d-i-y/Gzv_v8GGABg
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On 2015-04-21, Roger Mills wrote:

Do you just mean "does it feel like a really good SDS drill", or is there some definition of SDS that I haven't found? AFAICT "SDS" refers to the design of the chucks & the matching drill shanks.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_bit_shank#SDS_shank> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_%28engineering%29#Special_Direct_System_.28SDS.29>
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The reason for the special chuck is to hold the drill bit in such a way so it can be whacked better than in an ordinary chuck. Specifically for drilling hard stone.
If you've never used an SDS it comes as quite a surprise - how an SDS drill with the same power can drill hard masonry so easily while a hammer drill can't.
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On 2015-04-24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I have (what I think is) a pretty good Bosch SDS drill. All I'm wondering about is the definition of "SDS" --- I have no doubt that the quality behind the chuck varies widely.
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Most decent SDS drills specify the impact force.
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On 27/04/2015 14:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I thought it was the energy? (Joules)
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On 2015-04-27, Vir Campestris wrote:

Either way, I guess if they don't tell you, that's a hint?
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Lidl seem quite parsimonious with detail in their ads - often don't even give the battery capacity. But it's all usually in the instruction book.
At the end of the day - does it drill hard masonry ok? If it does, that's all I'd expect of a budget SDS drill like this.
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