Is that M25 and then M11 northbound? I ask because M25 clockwise to M11 southbound the slip road winds up into one of the most dangerous bends I have come across and I have driven over most of the motorways, The other oddly designed one is M40 North to M42 North where the slip road dumps you into the fast lane. I have seen a few near misses there.
Junction 15 M6 very short hard right hand bend
That is common around Glasgow:(
? The northbound off slip is short, and goes into a sharpish bend, but isn't a problem if you know about it, the nortbound on slip has almost a circle, but quite a long acceleration lane. Southbound off slip is short, but slopes up to the traffic lights so you don't need to brake harshly. The southbound on slip is fairly long, with a reasonable acceleration lane, and I very rarely have problems joining or leaving at that junction, even driving a coach, unless there's a train of lorries coming south along the M6 at their normally preferred separation of about half a coach length.
I can enter all off slips on this junction at the legal maximum and slow comfortably to a safe speed.
Can I nominate the Coventry inner ring road as the most dangerously designed road in Europe? Junctions every few hundred yards, with the onbound slips merging into the offbound slips, with vehicles trying to join and leave the ring road using the same few yards of junction.
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But the lanes don't 'join' - certainly not in the way a sliproad joins the main carriageway. Where they merge, both motorways are two lanes, and the ongoing M42N becomes four. Any accident would only be caused by someone playing sillybuggers, and deliberately changing lane where it was obvious that they shouldn't.
In Google Earth, fly to:
52°21'5.42"N, 1°48'27.20"W (just copy and paste).In the mid 2000s, I used to drive that route most days for about five years, at around 8:30am. I can't recall any undue problems because of the way the motorways merged.
I rejoined the M1 southbound from Toddington services yesterday; there are roadworks, so all the traffic was moving at 50 mph and the slip road is temporarily shortened, 50 to 80 yards.
So I indicated, accelerated to 50ish ( same speed as all the traffic) next to a (large) gap, about to move right. Then the knob in the Merc accelerated hard in order to block the gap, and slammed his brakes on when he got to withing a gnat's of the bumper of the car in front.
There are just too many tossers on the UK's roads.
I don't think they put up all those 30 mph signs for fun ...!
The slip road in question is on the left here:
http://g.co/maps/dbk43at the bottom of a steepish gradient and a sharp right hand turn where the crash barrier suddenly stops:
http://g.co/maps/5faupat just the point where anybody who looses control will go flying off to the left into traffic on the adjacent slip road with nothing but the odd traffic cone for protection ...
http://g.co/maps/95mz2This dangerous state of affairs seems to have been deliberately created so that the Police can do a U turn onto the anti-clockwise carriageway of the M25 ...
If you zoom out of the first link, you can see three more of these slip road gaps, though not quite as dangerously sited.
By removing the cones - which serve no useful purpose, anyway - the plod could drive round in circles all day, if they were so inclined ...
Sorry! That prize goes to the Charleroi ring road!
http://g.co/maps/3ncscIt is one-way (anti-clockwise)- mostly four lane - with off slips on both left and right ...
When busy it resembles a fairground dodgem ride with vehicles randomly changing lanes all around you!
Part of the north-eastern quadrant is in tunnel. Emerging here:
http://g.co/maps/3n8azand swinging round to the left - straight into the late afternoon sunlight - can be quite an experience!
What is this "fast lane" of which you write? There is the leftmost lane in which you should drive, the one to its right which you may use for overtaking, and possibly one to the right of that for overtaking overtakers. There is no "fast lane".
(Let it be noted that, approaching junctions, lanes may be for other purpose, but there is still no "fast lane".)
Who gives a shit?
That's the problem with motorways, too many drivers don't give a shit and hog the overtaking lanes rather than return to lane 1 where they should be.
Mike
Fixed that for you...
Maybe we need more "shared spaces". No barriers, no kerbs, no signs, no road markings as we currently know them(*) just a flat open space. Apparently where they have been introduced accident rates plummet compared to the barriered, kerbed, signed and marked areas they replaced.
And journey times probably tend towards infinity. You can always reduce accident rates by having a speed limit of 4mph.
A recent report(i believe it was Coventry) showed the system to be dangerous as no one has right of way which has lead to several minor and one fatal accident
The key point is what was the accident and severity rate like before? It's the fact that people feel less secure and less "in the right" that makes 'em concentrate more and pay more attention to what others are doing, thus pushing down the accident rate and severity. At least that's the theory...
It's usually the left-handside lane, the centre and outside lane being full of cretins who forget how to drive shortly after taking their test.
This one does my head in...
http://g.co/maps/gfj42Imagine you are approaching this roundabout from Ferris Row (top of the picture).
Which of the three approach lanes should you be in if you intend to exit onto Fairground Way (bottom left of the picture).
Most people seem to think it perfectly OK to take what is basically a right-hand exit off the roundabout by approaching in the middle lane, then get irate when a few drivers approach in the right-hand lane to exit on Fairground way.
I'm not sure what the problem is. Nor do I know what a right-hand exit off a roundabout is - unless you're in a country where they drive on the right.
The picture is much clearer if you turn off Labels. It then looks like there's 3 concentric lanes round the roundabout - right? I would therefore approach in the middle lane, go round the roundabout in the middle lane until I'd just gone too far to exit at bottom right, and then indicate left and move into the left lane to peel off into Fairground Way.
Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
OK, to be clearer.
By right-hand exit, I mean exit 3 of 4 off the roundabout (3 of 5 if you include exiting the way you approached), at approximately 2 O'Clock as viewed from the approach.
There are no lane markings at all on the roundabout, just on the approaches.
To me, those taking the first exit should approach in the left lane. Those taking the second exit (approx 12 O'Clock as viewed from approach) should approach in the middle lane. Those taking exits past 12 O'Clock as viewed from approach, eg the third (Fairground way) or fourth, or those going right around, should approach in the right lane.
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