Switch power on at mains, test each wire.
Switch power on at mains, test each wire.
Follow given advice. Return if "ghost voltages" exist. FFS...
How much should the op spend on a "proper multimeter" to do the job properly?
Rather begs the question, why do you have one? given your op...
I am changing an extraction fan with timer. The old fan has 2 red and a black wire but no indication as to what one is live switch, how do I determine what one of the reds is live switch, with the power switch off at mains.
Insufficient advice. Doesn't allow for eliminating false positives ("ghost voltages").
Easy way - look at which is connected to the existing switched live terminal on the fan, then mark it with tape before disconnecting. :-)
I would be tempted to make a guess knowing there's a 50% likelihood of it being right!
Yes it was maybe something that they should have done before taking the old unit out using a meter with a probe assuming of course te on situation is controllable and is not some function of a thermostat, but then I think if one is live and one not you have your answer if everything is cold at the time. Brian
I agree however I did mark one of the reds so when I took the old fan down I could then match it up with the identification markings on the fan, only then did I discover the old fan is marked N and L but nothing for the 3rd wire. I did take a picture before disconnecting but that doesnt solve it due to lack of identification markings.
Stick a bulb across, one of the lives and neutral. Then put the power back on.
Either the bulb will be controlled by the light switch or not (permanently on).
I assume using my cheap multimeter I could do the same and check for voltage?
Yes. Look for changes when you 'modulate' the light switch.
Yes, but not with a "cheap multimeter" - those ones typically pay zero attention to proper mains isolation despite their self-declared CAT ratings and have no MOVs etc.
Not too cheap, some don't really like mains even though they have a big AC range. They don't have enough insulation to be safe. I certainly wouldn't use the £1.99 ones I bought on mains if I had to touch them.
You don't have to spend a fortune. I use one of these for anything to do with the mains:
You don't touch any metal parts of a "cheap multimeter" as they are all plastic apart from the metal parts of the probes.
For this application a non contact volt stick will work well:
Leads are a suspect as well.
I was wondering what was constantly draining our car battery, and what current it was - expecting a few 10's of milliamps drawn.
Erm no.
With a series connection I found I had rather more. Amazon's finest 99p test leads have a nifty built in detection feature.
Smoke....
(I now have a decent clamp meter that does DC)
Which is why I bought a Fluke 179.
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