How old are your apprentices?

To settle an argument in our (wider) household
How old are "traditional" trade apprentices when you take them on?
Member of family (she who is *never* wrong, supported by clutch of offspring) was adamant that no-one can leave school before 18 YO.
So I said "they can if they take an apprenticeship", to which the response was "only one of those waste of time classroom type apprenticeships" (no argument from me about the "waste of time" part here!)
and I said "No a traditional trade apprenticeship counts" - "Oh no it doesn't" .....
so what is the rule here please?
TIA
tim
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When I were a lad, I was 15 when I left for me first job, could not wait to get away from the time wasting so called place of education.
I was only offered an apprentice if I passed a medical, and due to my eyesight I did not but was kept on as a specialist, quite what in was never clear, Jack of all trades, master of none. That was in the mid 1960s. It did me no harm not being an apprentice or not going to a college or university, as later on they sent their graduates to me for a quick course in common sense. Brian
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We took on a 15 year old last year - he had an August birthday.
The rest are usually 16 or 17 years old.
However I do believe if they have not passed maths or English - fuck knows what they take now consider to be a pass these days as the ones that have passed are as thick as pig shit - then college requires then to retake those subjects as part of their electrical course.
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 11:59:24 +0100, ARW wrote:

It's all done in the pursuit of equality. The system can't make everyone equally intelligent, so instead they use the schools to make everyone equally ignorant.
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and all of them with a degree
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Blimey. Mark Kermode's missus. I bet watching TV in their house is a riot.
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As ignorant and as daft as Pounder?
It's a challenge but let's go for it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35814215
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On Sunday, 24 April 2016 12:16:24 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:

There is no link between intelligence, education and common sense. Common sense trumps all.
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On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 07:32:55 UTC+1, harry wrote:

But doesn't really exists without intelligence & education.
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Bullshit with both. Doesn't need any education at all and plenty of average intelligence have it.
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I am tempted to agree with Rod. Surely basic common sense is what we all have, or should have, *without* the benefit of education.
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On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 13:10:46 UTC+1, News wrote:

luckily you only said tempted.

No education is what teaches us common sense. we aren't all, born knowing what to eat, for some an insect is something to spray and kill for others it's food. Common sense only comes after education and experience that's why it's important for parent to tell their kids stuff otherwoise they wouldn't need parents.

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No it does not. Some people are born with common sense.

That's not what common sense is about.

BULLSHIT.

That's education, not common sense.
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On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 19:57:03 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

So what is this common sense you claim to be born with ?

So what is it about ? what is common sense, why do virtually all children stick thin gs in their mouth don;t they know that some things can't be eaten and are actually poisonous.
When did you leanr not to have sex with spiders. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-36136635

When did you learn not to eat bullshit as opposed to talking it.

So what is common sense ? I'ts the sense that is common between those of the same species at birth the rest is learnt.
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Not born with so much as what those with it end up with without any education about it.
Presumably a combination of being able to instinctively arrive at the right conclusion combined with trial and error.
Similar in many ways to just being able to look at complicated mechanical devices and understand how they work. Some people can do that and most can not and that doesn't require education either.
I can look at things and just know if they are strong enough to last, my dad can't. So it can't have been education.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

Because we evolved like that, just like we did with the way kids imitate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

Wrong, as always.

Doesn't mean education.
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Good point.
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On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 11:46:05 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:

Don't you think you should understand intelligence and education before you comment. Animals have both but do they have commen sense.
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