No different to giving rebates of one sort or another to those on low incomes?
If you get the council gets the money to build a new one, what's the difference?
But their income has risen to a point above where you'd get a council house?
Invent more figures? ;-)
Thatcher made it illegal for councils to do this. And the proportion of the population living in council properties is now a fraction of then. Exactly what she intended. Move it all to the private sector and give private landlords the housing support money. Good Tory principle.
It's very differnt if you have fixed rents. if say the person renting won t he lottery and refused to move out of their £500 a month council prope rty, you'd have to evict them. And what are these rebates ?
You really can't tell ? Ypiou can see that selling a council house which cost 2K in the 60s and selling it for 30K today, will 30K really build a new council house. You couldn't even buy the land for that.
Why should it matter to them unless you plan to force them out legally. It just couldn't work like that.
Then come up with real ones. Show me how the money collected from the sale of council houese went to building new council houses. It this like perpetual motion ?
Yes I know.
yes that's obvious and there;s a lot of landlord making a lot of money beca use of it.
Are yuo telling me she was a right wing conseraative , wow.
Yep, next you'll be telling me that the landlords voted tory.
We discussed this here shortly after the fire happened. Having now seen it for myself, there's simply nowhere for such a vehicle to go. Cars parked both sides with no gaps to show a blocking vehicle into.
In addition, there was originally access for the emergency services to the north side of the tower via a car park. That's now gone with the construction of a leisure centre and pedestrianisation of the access road. Using the history feature in Google Earth is revealing.
Here is the access road to the tower (Grenfell Road) , as seen by google maps, which says it all. Reports say this road was blocked by a car parked in the middle on the night of the fire.
I'd heard of the general disregard for keeping it clear during the refurb, and photos showing that, but not specifically on the night of the fire, the fire service mentioned arriving within 6 minutes of being called, no mention of problems getting there.
They would be handy open plan spaces for fly tipping
Grenfell Tower Management (from a report by an action committee.)
In 1996 the entire council housing stock of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea was transferred to the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Managemen t Organisation (KCTMO), which currently manages 9,459 properties, of which around 6,900 are tenant-occupied and 2,500 leasehold properties, and from w hich it collects £44 million in rent and £10 million in service c harges every year.
The KCTMO is unique in also being an Arms Length Management Organisation (A LMO), which means that activities between it and the council are viewed by Her Majesty?s Revenue and Customs as non-trading activity, so any p rofit arising from it will not be taxable.
KCTMO has a board which at the time of the Grenfell Tower fire comprised ei ght residents, three council-appointed members and two independent members. Their identities have now been removed from the company website, but at th e time of the fire they included:
Fay Edward, the Chair and Resident Board Member since 2012 and recipient in the Queen?s New Year?s Honours List 2015 of the British Em pire Medal. It was she who awarded the contract for the fatal refurbishment of Grenfell Tower
Conservative councillor Maighread Condon-Simmonds, the Lady Mayor of the Ro yal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea until May 2017;
Labour councillor Judith Blakeman, who sits on the council?s Housin g and Property scrutiny committee, and who in December 2015 dismissed calls by the Grenfell Action Group to investigate the KCTMO;
Council-nominated Board Member Paula France, a former employee at the gover nment?s Homes and Communities Agency who has held senior positions in Circle, Thirty Three, Look Ahead, Network Housing and Shepherd?s Bush housing associations and now runs her own consultancy business;
Independent Board Member Simon Brissenden, a Management Consulting Professi onal who until March of this year was employed to deliver Health and Safety Compliance in the Asset and Investment portfolio for Genesis Housing Assoc iation;
Independent Board Member Anthony Preiskel, since 2012 a Non-Executive Direc tor of the government?s Homes and Communities Agency.
The KCTMO is not a co-operative, which means that although it was created u nder the government?s Housing (Right to Manage) Regulations 1994, i t was set up under corporate law. And although the housing stock it manages is still owned by the council,
as an ALMO (the only UK TMO, apparently, that is also an ALMO) it is exempt from Freedom of Information requests (not that councils answer these eithe r, or when they do the information requested is redacted).
The distinction between public and private means very little these days, an d one look at who sits on this board shows that it?s run by housing professionals fronted by politicians with the acquiescence of compliant re sidents ? in other words, the same privatised management structure being put in place for every other estate regeneration scheme in London.
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A few paragraphs above this quote mentions that the owner of Cellotex is on a committee concerned with fire regulations.
You wouldn't thik that this committee would have much difficulty informing a government about regulations would you?
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