Anyone used a building notice rather than submitting plans like they did for the tower block?

So no plans submitted for approval and no statutory visits needed while the work was in progress.
How many more worms are they keeping in the tin?
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not in the near od Scotland .......
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dennis@home wrote:

I thought the building notice meant it was *only* checked by visits as it progressed?
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On 16/06/2017 19:52, Andy Burns wrote:

Yes. but there are no statutory points where anyone has to visit on that job.
If it were you building an extension you would have to have visits like when you did the foundations, drains, etc.
So the question must be what visits were made?
The real fault isn't in the cladding but in the system used to bypass proper building control IMNSHO.
I don't think building notices are intended for works like that but more for minor jobs like the odd house.
But who's going to care in four years time when the public enquiry does something?
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On 16/06/2017 20:04, dennis@home wrote:

eg a missing firestop at every floor level?
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ARW wrote:

Even if they'd submitted a full plans application, nothing would stand out as being "wrong" the PE version of the alu cladding is (crazily) approved, the drawings from the planning application show reasonable looking robust details ... so you'd still end up depending on what was inspected on visits.

I can't make out the remains of any fitted in the aftermath photos, that correspond to the ones shown in the plans at approx floor/ceil height on the plans but it does have in brackets "where applicable" rather than stating every floor.
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On 16/06/2017 21:01, Andy Burns wrote:

If there were any visits or they were at an appropriate time. The statutory visits don't exist in this kind of renovation.
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Quality is built in not inspected in
Sign over an aircraft assembly line I once visited.
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On 16/06/2017 22:46, bert wrote:

Quality means fit for purpose and not the best you can get.
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 22:46:50 +0100, bert wrote:

This is a truism - see ISO9001.
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 21:40:22 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

A lot of this kind of work seems to be self-certified by trusted contractors.
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Oh, indeed. Which is why it didn't happen. Unless someone didn't follow the spec, in which case they should be punished.
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Huge wrote:

Predicting the past should be easier, no?
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Here's the spec for the upgrade including the insulation...
6" Celotex FR5000, with a 2" cavity behind.
Also used 1" Celotex FR5000 as glazing infill panels.
https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Other-952368.pdf?extension=.pdf&id2368&location=VOLUME2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1
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     snipped-for-privacy@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) writes:

Bloody hell - oh the irony...
"1.4 Overheating
Grenfell Tower currently suffers from chronic overheating in the summer. "
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On 17/06/2017 00:04, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

If your flat faced south or south-west, the solar gain would be awful.
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On 17/06/2017 11:06, Andrew wrote:

Would ventilation not have been enough to solve that?
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Indeed, but the windows had restricted openings because the tenants threw things out of them.
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On 17/06/2017 11:26, Nick wrote:

It's a concrete building. After a few hot days the whole structure ends up like a giant storage heater. You can open the windows but that just allows more hot air to enter. And you should not open your front door to get throughflow because that is a fire door (also insecure).
Cladding the building stops rain causing penetrating damp and evaporative cooling in winter and prevents the solar gain from heating up the concrete structure.
Done properly, it's a good idea. But it was done to comply with the EU directive to reduce Co2 and this seems to have overridden everything else. This will all come out during the public enquiry.
Why on earth did it need 150 mm of celotex. In Scandinavia or Germany perhaps where it gets really cold, but London ?.
In southern Europe and Brazil buildings have shutters to stop the solar gain. The French have developed a special multi-layer foil insulation for situations where you need to reduce heat gain, but it also seems to be common over here when doing barn conversions.
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The planning application says they wanted to "future-proof" the spec; the building is also hot in the summer and cold in the winter.
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