Front door lock complete with handles - what's it called?

The typical problem I found was that the mechanical bits that moved the multi lock hardware around the door did not line up with the back door version. In the end we did find one that was the same but it seems to be such a minefield for the uninitiated. The old If I were going there , aid's not start from here problem. They like to make as much in situ as possible which is fine till you want to change the spec. Brian

Yes, OK, but there don't seem to be any front door type handles to go with this sort of lock. All I can see look like the door handles I have on internal doors and they just look odd and rather flimsy for a front door.

"Suitable for interior door", i.e. the finish won't survive long on the outside of the front door.

Yes, I think we'd found that somewhere else in the thread too. It's OK but I'd prefer short handles instead of the knobs and there's no need for the tab locking device inside.

Not really. The front door on my M-I-L's house has a single integrated front door lock and handle. It has a Yale type key to lock it and stubby handles both inside and outside. You can't lock it or unlock it without the key, if it's unlocked it stays that way and you can go in and out using the handles, if it's locked with the key then it's locked from the outside, I can't remember if it's still possible to open it from the inside when 'locked'.

Not a serious issue where we live, first problem would be for the thief to *find* the car keys, they aren't kept near the front door.

So there *are* such things and people actually want them! I'm not in a minority of one. :-)

What rules one wonders?

We regularly get that at the local Tesco: why have you run out of 'xxxx' again? Answer: because of the high demand. Don't they notice that they have sold out, frequently?

You need to find an "Architectural Ironmonger". They will have a good selection of indoor & outdoor handles.

Bearing in mind the number of suggestions that aren't what you're looking for, you probably won't want this either. I don't see the handle length, which is clearly important to you, but I'll put it up anyway

It's in the right ball-park but it's rather flimsier than what I remember/have in mind. I probably need to re-visit my M-I-L's house and take a picture of the lock there and/or find out what make it is. Then I can at least say "I want one like this".

You could just persuade your MIL that she needs something more secure, or that it's showing signs of wear or becoming faulty, and...er... change it... ;-)

I'd be surprised if you could find such a thing that was a direct replacement for a night latch. However, fitting such a device where the night latch was should be possible - although you may need to fill the odd hole.

But a night latch is usually situated higher in the door, for easy use. Handles might look odd in the same place.

I've searched through there several times, nothing looks like an 'outdoor' handle to me.

... and here are some pictures, taken by my brother-in-law:-

"I want one like this" :-)

So it's one of these

Fairly standard lock usually fitted to double glazed back doors, often associated with a locking mechanism that extends the whole length of the door. Back doors are often fitted with a different lock to front doors so that you don't accidentally lock yourself out.

The handles types are usually an option when specifying/ordering a new door.

You possibly need to order the lock and handles separately.

The lock cyclinder is a Eurolock which can take a key both sides or alternatively a key one side and a thumb knob on the other side.

There are various options for the distance between the key and the handle spindle.

Try googling for "double glazing door parts".

Example

... and 'back doors' are usually ones that when unlocked you can go in and out using the handle which is what I've been after. So maybe I should be looking for a 'back door' lock.

Yes, seems reasonable.

Yes.

How does that affect things? Apart from making the holes for the bolts in the right places is there any other significance in this?

That looks like what I want now I understand better. If I understand the above lock correctly:-

Both handles (indoor and outdoor) simply operate the latch.

The latch can be configured for opening either way.

The eurolock cylinder (bought separately) will lock the door using the deadbolt which is quite independent of the latch.

The handles need to be bought separately, how easy is it to get ones that are not a pair?

Yes, OK.

Thanks for all the help and ideas everyone, I seem to have found what I want at last! :-)

Having never attempted to buy just handles I don't know but having a lever style handle one side and a pad the other side is faily common so a pair may be one of each.

Things to watch The type of lock you want has a single spindle so the handles on each side need to be in the same place (The type of lock handle fitted to front doors has two spindles and the handles are offset from each other. This allows the handles on each side to operate the lock/latch differently)

On double glazed upvc and composite doors the outside handle face-plate has no visible fixing screws for a thief to undo - the handle can be fixed from inside of the door. On the inside of the door the face-plate will have visible fixing screws which can be removed to access the fixing screws for the front face plate. The alternative arrangement is for a screw to go through a hole in the inside face-plate, through the door and to screw into the back of the outside face-plate. Again nothing for a thief to undo from outside of your property A pair of handles will be matched for this arrangement so just be aware which is considered to be fitted to the outside AND consider this may/will swap for left hand or right hand opening.

As stated before the distance between the lock mechanism hole and the spindle hole can vary so you need to carefully match each component you purchase

Example of what you may be looking for