First they came for lightbulbs

"a considerably lower standard of living for the majority in the UK if we do leave"? Would you care to quantify that? 25% less? 50% less? A feeling in your head without anything to back it up? I will be very impressed if you can show your working to arrive at an actual figure.

You may well be right and you may well be wrong.

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Dave W
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Just look out the window at the women passing by.

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Dave W

Well it would reduce the road rage problem IMO and frighten a few politicians.

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Capitol

My experience of low power traveling kettles is that they take forever to boil a small quantity of water.

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Capitol

The BREXIT lot seem to be plucking figures from the air, so I just thought I'd join them.

I'd say on balance there is more informed opinion about the short term effects of leaving being bad for the majority than the other way.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Well, you would say that, wouldn't you?

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Tim Streater

The extra water to compensate for the evaporated water coming out of a kettle, provided it is not actually left boiling, is tiny.

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polygonum

Henry is pretty poor once you have a HEPA filter. You need a fair few watts to move much air through a HEPA filter the size they usually have in a vac.

I bought a meil when they were going cheap, its 2000W but I seldom run it above 600 watts.

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dennis

They both convert 100% of the electricity into heat.

The plastic one may have less loses unless the expensive one has extra insulation.

You can't work it out from the info you provided but I would guess the £5 one does the job better.

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dennis

Well - *anyone* would say that: DP's comment is merely a statement of the simple truth. The experts (and also the non-experts) have masses of data to go on, when predicting negative outcomes of an exit; they have nothing whatever to go on, when predicting positive outcomes - only the outlines of castles built in the sky by the Brexiteers.

J.

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Another John

It's all of those, and to stop the locals crating mayhem too.

And to do some stuff like providing health care at a much lower cost than when other than government does it. That's why the US spends TWICE as much per capita as any other modern first world country does and gets a worse result in the measures that matter like longevity, infant mortality and years in good health.

That's a lie with govt schools alone, let alone the postal service etc.

And a health care system that left what we had before the war for dead, particularly with health care for say the bottom third of the country.

And left the previous approach of workhouses etc for dead too.

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Jacobsen

What castles are these, then? The important factor is that we will be able to control our destiny again.

Doubtless some clowns will say that we wouldn't be in control anyway, that there'd still be a large number of important factors that would interfere. Well, that's true too. The salient point is that decisions would be made by *our* leaders, whom, ultimately, we can get rid of, instead of others, whom we can't. Who gets elected at the general election would matter again, which would sharpen up our politicians no end.

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Tim Streater

Since when have short sleeved shirts been banned?

G.Harman

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damduck-egg

Apparently they came for them soon after the kettles.

Local Councils have, as usual, been tasked with drawing up interpretations and enforcement of this Regulation (or is it just a Recommendation at the mo?).

Also as usual, the UK Government, while devolving (i.e. shucking off) responsibility to the local councils, are threatening said councils with another reduction in monies, if the regulation is not enforced, via officials, and collection of fines. The national CCTV network will be used to enforce it. Expect a NIP through your door "momentarily", what with all this weather we've been having.

However, while bare arms are banned in the UK, as with most other things the other EU countries can pick and choose what suits them, so them warm Latino countries, inc France, are waving two fingers (or the official EU equivalent) at this rule.

John

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Another John

If you are still talking about abortions, on demand abortions are illegal in NI

tim

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tim...

My problem with the numbers that they are spouting out is the (un proven) assumption that making the "cake" bigger (or smaller) affects everyone equally.

It doesn't.

It might have done in the 50/60/70/80s, but since the rise in globalisation it has been very unfairly dished out with 90% of the increased size of the cake being gobbled by 10% of the population.

I suspect that if the cake were to contract due to Brexit that effect would be seen on the way back down again and the top 10% who have "unfairly" benefited from the recent increase will be disproportionately affected by the contraction. The absolute share of the (now smaller) national wealth of the average hoi-polloi will likely be completely unaffected.

tim

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tim...

These would be the same people who have so far mucked up Osborne's growth estimates 10 out of the last 10 times they have tried to calculate them.

tim

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tim...

The only way we could control our destiny would be if this country was self sufficient in everything. Like food and energy, for a start. And those days are long since gone.

This country exists by trading. Much of it financial services. And so very much of it no longer owned or controlled by the UK. And if the UK is no longer in the EU, why would an international company choose the UK for its headquarters?

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Dave Plowman (News)

You think? Can't see this Tory government allowing their pals to suffer as much as the general population if there is an even greater recession after BREXIT. They protected them well after the last one.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I would have thought that the UK would be in a good position to take advantage of that situation. After all, Savile Row is famous throughout the world for its bespoke tailoring, especially men's suits. I'm sure they would be happy to supply said Latino countries.

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Chris Hogg

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