First they came for lightbulbs

Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.
How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?
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On 11/05/2016 18:03, Andy Burns wrote:

You don't - you make it less efficient by making it less powerful. Ego it will use slightly more energy over all, but it uses "less power" (if you are a politician)
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On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:03:29 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Oh, that 2014 fabricated scare-story's come out of hibernation, has it?
What a surprise.
Even the Telegraph backtracked on it a few months ago.
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On 11/05/2016 18:30, Adrian wrote:

Well its not come out of hibernation yet - its been put on the "back burner" (If we are still allowed to have such things) until after the referendum in case it makes people vote to leave.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/36642906-dc0e-11e5-9ba8-3abc1e7247e4.html#axzz48NVyRLIh
But after the referendum I will wager its "full steam ahead" (well partial steam ahead anyway from our new low power kettles).
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Chris B wrote:

Oh dear, back to buying for stock again! I'm sure the real reason is to lower electricity demand as the generating capacity is being destroyed by the EU eco warriors. Back to coal fires people.
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On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 23:08:56 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:

Toast tasted better on an open fire from what I remmeber.
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On 11/05/2016 23:08, Capitol wrote:

But will lower powered kettles, ovens, toasters and other heating devices lower demand? The power of each will be lower, but as each will need to be on for longer, there is likely to be a greater overlap and therefore more operating at any one time. It *might* have an effect at the ad break in a major event, but that's about all - and that is already planned for and places like Dinorwig are brought online for the surge.
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On Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:52:48 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:

That's the 'logic' I just don't get. if I have a kettle that is half the power it will take twice as long to heat up, so it'll be on twice as long possible more due to loses.

yes and I'm not sure a 300 watt kettle would actually boil enough to make a decent cup of tea.
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whisky-dave wrote:

My experience of low power traveling kettles is that they take forever to boil a small quantity of water.
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That's always been obvious.

Yes, but with the longer ad breaks like half time in the world series finals etc, when tens of millions all choose to put the kettle on at the same time, clearly if all the kettles have half the power, that will see that peak halved and since the power generation system finds it harder to handle the peaks than the baseload, that will help with power generation when its done with the generating capacity that is slow to ramp up.
Not such a problem with the national grids that have enough pumped water hydro that can be used to ramp up very quickly for just the peaks.

Corse it would if you don’t mind waiting long enough and its well insulated.
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On 11/05/2016 20:48, Chris B wrote:

Neighbour went into our local garden centre, part of Wyvale Gardens and selected some weed'n'feed for his lawn but when he tried to pay for it the computer said no. Apparently another EU dictat has become law recently and the staff didn't know the offending stuff was still on the shelf. They wouldn't sell it to him.
Strangely enough there seems to have been an increase in the number of people offering to 'de-weed and green your lawn' (for a huge price). Have garden chemicals been restricted to 'professional use' recently ?.
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On Thu, 12 May 2016 16:12:42 +0100, Andrew wrote:

And what WAS wrong with agent orange, anyway? Why can't we just buy that over the counter?

No, it's just that there's a fuck of a lot of terminally indolent people who are happy to spend money rather than get off their backsides, especially if the spendiness is wrapped up as a nice monthly DD.
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Oh, did weed'n'feed have agent orange in it. Gosh, I didn't know that.
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On Thu, 12 May 2016 20:27:19 +0100, Tim Streater

Does it, in fact? Agent Orange contained 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T defoliants. AIUI 2,4,5-T has been banned for a long time, but 2,4-D is used in many lawn treatments, where it acts on broad-leaved weeds like dandelions and plantains but not on the grass. I can't find any evidence that it's been banned. An up-to-date (March 2016) list of weedkillers for amateur gardeners here: https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/pdfs/weedkiller-for-home-gardeners No specific mention of a Weed-n-Feed by that name.
But popular broadleaf herbicides containing 2,4-D, mecoprop, and dicamba have been banned in Canada, although those chemicals occur together in one or two of the UK products. AFAICT he only weedkillers banned recently by the EU are Amitrole and Isoproturon. But these were not available to amateurs anyway, so I'm puzzled as to why Andrew's neighbour's weed-n-feed is supposedly banned.
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There was some talk that glyphosate was for the chop, too, so I got another litre bottle of 360gm/litre from B&Q the other day. £25, which didn't compute since previously it's been more like £40. It was in their secure section, too, with a tag and it took two staff to get it off the shelf. One to climb the ladder and another to watch.
Bizarre.
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Tim Streater wrote:

under £15 from amazonbay.
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That makes the 5 litres of Gallup 360 I found for £25 delivered last week seem rather good value :-)
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wrote:

Yup. I've recently had 2x5l of the same for £48.90, also delivered free. Will last me for ever and then some!
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On 12/05/2016 22:34, Tim Streater wrote:

I think its still up for debate soon, and it looks like there is widespread support for a ban in europe (with a small e), the EU seem to be in favour of the stuff.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/08/eu-vote-on-controversial-weedkiller-licence-postponed-glyphosate
There was a question about it on GQT a few weeks ago and the wisdom of the panel seemed to be that the fear was that it was carcinogenic, but that there is little evidence that glyposate is harmful when used as directed, but there is much more doubt about some of the surfactants now being added to make it more effective.
Panel believed most likely outcome was a ban for amateurs but the big business would still be able to use it.
so I got

Was that the Roundup brand? I found some on the "discontinued" shelf in my local B&Q at the same price. Fearing that this was a harbinger of the situation above I picked some up, but when I went round to the normal shelf the "New Formulation" product was still there but at I think £48/litre. Quite what the "new formulation" is I don't know as it is still described as 360g/lt.
http://www.diy.com/departments/roundup-fast-action-concentrate-weed-killer-1l-139kg/1315292_BQ.prd

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wrote:

Yes, and it was on the top shelf (so requiring staff with a ladder to ascend and get it). It also had a security tag on it.
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