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Can't take it. The truth hurts.

Bill

No, the 'truth' doesn't hurt. It's the narrow-mindedness and desire to score nonsense points that's the reason for killfiling him. There's a whole host of 'schemes' which are beneficial to some that incur a cost for others: ISas for example. Tax denied to the Exchequer that other savings accounts would provide.

At least this gives an estimate on what the "electric penalty" will be like for a while. By 2030, maybe they'll send out a repairman to fix the chargers :-/ Could happen.

And some day, the "cheaper" version of the Model 3 will start shipping. It might even have the lesser "Lithium Iron Phosphate" batteries in it. (Half the capacity, otherwise just as good.) They're testing that concept in the Chinese market, right now.

Musk has an active battery technology research going on. The latest improvement, is Musk bought Maxwell (the "Ultracap" company), and he bought them so he could own the patent on a "dry method" for making Lithium electrodes. This gets rid of the CO2 excreting giant ovens normally used to dry the electrodes. When 2030 shows up, who knows what will be available, in terms of range or qualities.

Electric is always going to suck. But they're working to make it suck less.

And there is an electric technology that allows you to do your holiday drive without stopping, not even once. There is a battery type, a kind of "dry cell", which does not recharge, and it "eats the electrode" as you drive. I'm sure nobody can afford the purchase price. But at least, there is a technology stake in the ground, as an example of an extreme. When you arrive at the destination, you pull the battery, and the battery *can* be recycled to make a new one. At great cost. Nobody (no futurist) is proposing this is anywhere near good enough for practical uses. That is why you don't see it promoted.

Paul

In the words of my newsagent's son when I was late paying the bill "I know were you live". But, I haven't gome electric yet and may not for some time. I'm aiting for a proper estate car. The MG promised one has a 6" drop between cill and floor at the back.

renewable

This is true. But the claim is "100% renewable energy". If more renewable energy has been sold than there is actually available on the grid at any given time (and your lights don't go out) then the claim of "100% renewable energy" is false and misleading.

Sainsbury's actual claim for their 100% tariff only applies over time, not at any given moment ...

"We'll match 100% of the electricity you use on this tariff with the purchase of Renewable Energy Guarantee of Origin (REGOs)."

"although it?s not possible to know whether the electricity that ends up in your home is from a renewable source ? we can guarantee that every unit you use will be replaced on the network by a unit of renewably sourced electricity. Beyond this, there are currently no additional environmental benefits to this tariff."

Don't they also claim to import it via interconnects? Probably no more renewable than the home-grown stuff, but it makes it more difficult to check up on.

Drones with HD streaming cameras are really cheap these days :-)

You still don't get it do you ?.

ISAs *ARE* open to everyone, but solar panel FITS are *NOT* available to people who live in flats, listed buildings, those in Conservation areas and unsuitable locations but all these people are *forced* to pay more for their electricity.

Butwhatif there is enough green energy to *have* charged your car over a period of time, even if there wasn't at that actual time, doesn't it all balance out?

Say you have a bucket and you buy your water by the bucket from 'Mountain Water Ltd'. Because of the irregularity of supply of mountain water (from 'Mountain Water Ltd' etc), they run it into a big tank along with 'River water Ltd' and 'Rain water Ltd'. The resultant 'water' was the same, irrespective of who happened to help fill the tank at any point in time.

As_long_as enough water was being supplied into the tank by mountain water as was being sold by Mountain Water Ltd, when measured over any realistic interval that covered the max and min levels of supply of all the suppliers, then could it be said that all the people who bought their water from any particular supplier, were actually buying water supplied from that supplier?

The only time it would be an issue (as you say), is if there wasn't enough water to go round, then *all* the customers might go short, even if their particular suppler may have been able to supply at_that_point_in_time, had the others not also used it.

Cheers, T i m

yes they are

provided that the management company can work out a scheme to share it

Rented accommodation, and those pesky poor people who never can afford anything.

You cannot control the flow of electricity through the grid. Just because OVO buys all renewable energy doesn't mean that's where their customers electrons are coming from - or should I say going to.

That's fair enough. No quibble with that.

In article snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com, Chris Hogg snipped-for-privacy@privacy.net writes

It doesn't matter where they buy it they cannot direct it to your house. They buy renewable energy and then charge you for what you use off the grid.