EU to flush your money down your toilet?

[Adrian]

50% isn't bad, I s'pose.

[Andy Cap]

You're talking rubbish ! We voted to remain in the Common Market, most people foolishly believing Heath's statement that there would be no loss of sovereignty, which was a DOWNRIGHT LIE! If people had been told the truth, I very much doubt the result would have been the same but it's abundantly clear that the so-called democrats in our parliament are nothing of the sort.

[Tim Streater]

My view is that there should have been a referendum for *each* of the EU treaties, including accession under Grocer Heath, the Single European Act, Maastricht, etc, because no govt has the right to alter our constitutional arrangements without the peeps permission. We elect them to run the country under the existing set up.

[Tim Streater]

A non-working one, poor example.

Is he an MEP? I know he fancies himself as "President" of something, can't remember what though. And was that a typo or was it deliberate?

[Andy Cap]

Couldn't agree more, though I'd prefer out. I think referenda should be used far more in parliament too, because claiming something was in a manifesto is a joke. Firstly it highly unlikely you agree with everything across the board and so voting becomes negative activity, looking for the one you think will do least damage and secondly, there is no obligation on doing what they say they will. One example was the change to fix term parliaments. A major change and yet done on on a whim by a couple of guys.

[Adrian]

No, I'm not. You might wish I was, but that doesn't alter reality.

The European Economic Community. There's never been anything called the "Common Market".

And then the UK - both Westminster and MEPs - was internally and integrally involved in turning the EEC into the EU.

[Andy Cap]

Fair enough but it was a trading group, not a political alliance and we were lied to, as we will be again next time.

They had no mandate to do so and refuse to give the electorate a voice. How is that democratic?

[Adrian]

Apart from the subtle detail that a referendum, inherently, isn't used "in parliament", it might be worth remembering that the 2011 voting system referendum cost about £75m. How many of 'em do you want?

[Tim Streater]

For one thing they aren't already struck, there are plenty of details to be voted on, which often turn on the odd vote or two. That's where they should be, helping stem the tide of EU rubbish. Instead, they must be ...

... out to lunch. So out to lunch, in fact, that half the UKIP MEPs elected last time are now with other parties.

And I understand that UKIP in Lincolnshire is so popular that there are now two of them! And so on ...

[Adrian]

The Tory manifesto, a couple of months later, talked about what a great success it was for the UK. They then won that election, before ratifying it shortly after.

manifesto.shtml#resp

If that isn't a mandate, what - short of a referendum - is?

[harryagain]

There are thousands of muslims landing in Lampedusa every month. Thr EU wants to ship themNorth ie to us.

Why do you suppose our hospitals, education sytem and housing are all stretched?

[Tim Streater]

I think one for any Treaty (with anyone) that materially alters our sovereignty, would be about right.

[harryagain]

You don't suppose they stroll down th highway do you?

I don't suppose these people get visas. So where exactly did this alleged conversation take place? Albania?

Even the vagest of glances at your response shows you just made it up.

[Andy Cap]

I refer the member to the answer I gave earlier.

"I think referenda should be used far more in parliament too, because claiming something was in a manifesto is a joke. Firstly it highly unlikely you agree with everything across the board and so voting becomes negative activity, looking for the one you think will do least damage and secondly, there is no obligation on doing what they say they will."

[harryagain]

Just what maintainance is needed on a toilet? Do tell.

[harryagain]

You have to train your arse to cut the turds into small pieces.

[harryagain]

I seem to recall that they keep having a repeat reforendum until they get the answer they want. (Ireland and Holland)

[Adrian]

On one that's working just fine? None whatsoever. On one that isn't flushing properly, however...

[Adrian]

There should be a law against it!

You're an idiot, Harry.

[Adrian]

There should be a law against it!

Yes. Small town near Shkodra.