Electronic Component Tolerances

In a recent thread, component tolerances were discussed and there was a brief reference to E6 and E12 series.

The concept of acceptable tolerances seems to be alien to many people, especially those who dabble with electronics for the first time.

The availability of accurate digital meters compounds these problems. It is quite common to see posts in some forums on the lines of "I replaced R72 (100k) because it was reading high at 106.8k".

Of course, if the resistor had a tolerance of ±10%, it would have been well within spec and it is quite possible that the replacement was even further from the nominal value but still within spec.

In the days when everybody used analogue meters they would probably have noted that the pointer indicated 100k, near enough, and moved on ...

Then there are these mysterious E numbers ...

In the early days of electronics - or should I say the wireless? - manufacturing tolerances were so high that a simple 1,2,5,10... sequence was about the best that was reasonably possible. In fact, although improvements in resistor technology moved on quite rapidly, there is still a lot of vintage equipment about with capacitors that follow the 1,2,5 sequence* ...

When it became viable to consistently produce resistors with a ±20% tolerance, a logarithmic or exponential series of values appeared. This was the E6 series, with values of 10, 15, 22, 33, 47 & 68 ohms and multiples of

10 thereafter.

In time, as tolerances improved still further, the E12 series (±10%) and the E24 series (±5%) appeared.

Anybody who thinks that the ranges of resistor values follow some weird random sequence might like to look at this drawing I produced which shows how neatly the values in the various ranges neatly dovetail together:

  • Some people seem to have great difficulty in grasping the concept that the
0.2µF and 0.5µF capacitors that they wish to replace can no longer be found and that all they are are offered are 0.22µF and 0.47µF components ...
Reply to
Terry Casey
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That's a very nice plot!

The other thing I find myself doing is thinking 'it's a 430 ohm resistor so I have to replace it with one' rather than wondering 'so what is it actually doing?'. If it sets the current for an LED, say, it doesn't really matter if it's 390 or 470. If it's in some precision measuring circuit then maybe it does.

On the other hand, if a resistor is marked 10.0 K (eg 4 value bands or 4 printed numbers - 1002) then that means it is a high precision resistor and you might want to pay more attention.

Theo

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Theo Markettos

Bring back body-tip-spot resistors. That'll confuse 'em

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Graham.

Seeing two resistors in parallel or in series is a good clue that the designer was aiming for an exact value.

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Graham.

I'd actually forgotten about them!

Reply to
Bob Eager

Which has the useful property that every resistor produced can have a value assigned in the system. Getting the right quantity of each is more of a problem. ;-)

Chris

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Chris J Dixon

I remember filing nicks in those to adjust to a precise value - a bit like laser trimming a film resistor but on the kitchen table :)

Andrew

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Andrew Mawson

And of course to some converting from the old notation to the more recent nF randge is alien too, They obviously did not understand the decimal system very well, though I do have to say that changing things like this seemed to be totally pointless... pun intended.

There is also a tendency not to look what might have caused a problem. IE they find a duff transistor, then put in a new one and it gets buggered as well. In ogther words diagnostic tests should be done to see where issues might be before sacrificing another transistor etc. Brian

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Brian Gaff

The E series (not E numbers) have little to do with tolernaces the E series is teh number of differnt values per decade.

We have a lab about that.

What's worse is when student comes to you asking for a 733.48K ;-)

I've found it difficult top buy such a resistor with such a low tolernace most are 5% and 2% are quite cheap when brought in bulk 100+

Some would have, but in those days temperature drift could also a problem.

I was asked to buy a set of E192 a cople of months ago.

I do have a 50R 0.01% that cost 15 quid ! and I've brought some 97.6K at 1% for a lab.

True another problem I'm finding is that when google tells a studetn they n eed a 0.01uF they tell me I haven't any in the lab, but there's a draw ful l of 10 nF caps.

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whisky-dave

I've been fixing an Orban broadcast processor and if they want a particular ressy .. then they just get them made;!..

R128a,b Resistor Set, MF; 2.00K 28520-002 ORB 3 R136a,b Resistor Set, MF; 13.3K/10.2K 28522-003 ORB 3 R139a,b Resistor Set, MF; 4.64K/4.53K 28522-005 ORB 3 R146a,b Resistor Set, MF; 13.3K/10.2K 28522-003 ORB 3 R148a,b Resistor Set, MF; 4.53K/3.01K 28522-004 ORB 3

20130.162.01 RESISTOR, 1/8W, 1%, 1.62K R69 R70 20130.200.01 RESISTOR, 2.00K R124 20130.221.01 RESISTOR, 2.21K R19 20130.332.01 RESISTOR, 1% 3.32K R76 R140 20130.365.01 RESISTOR, 1/8W, 1%, 3.65K R90 20130.475.01 RESISTOR, 4.75K R31 R32 R33 R34 20130.562.01 RESISTOR, 1/8W, 1%, 5.62K R75 20131.140.01 RESISTOR, 14.0K R126 R87 20131.200.01 RESISTOR, 20.0K 1% R88 20131.301.01 RESISTOR, 30.1K R141 20131.499.01 RESISTOR, 1/8W, 1%, 49.9K R23
Reply to
tony sayer

I hope you start by taking an 80 ohm, 50 watt power resistor and telling them to add some more resistors in series...

Depends. I've been buying carbon composition resistors recently - nice performance ~1GHz but tolerance often 10-20%. Metal film resistors are typically etched in a serpentine pattern that has too much inductance to be good at high frequencies, likewise wirewound resistors.

At that sort of level it's temperature stability that matters as well as value, I suspect (0.01% = 100ppm).

On a certain kind of schematic, sometimes uF can imply electrolytic and nF ceramic or polyester - though 0.01uF would be an implausibly small electrolytic.

Perhaps you can insist the student relabels the cap by writing '0.01uF' on it before putting it in the circuit? ;-)

Theo

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Theo Markettos

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Hummm....

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tony sayer

well I only supply 1/4W as standard from 10R to 10M I tell them to start wi th 10R and put them in series until you get the right value. Or 2 1.5M in parellel might be good enough. Sometimes I can get them to see the wood for the trees in under 10 mins, while others I give up on and send them to their supervisors.

Not really practical for what we're teaching. I could have brought some 10% 2w resistors for 88p each but then I'd have to explain why they are MORE e xpensive than the 5% or even 1% I keep.

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think it's 3ppm

no chance, I can't even get them to write it on their order forms.

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whisky-dave

Well if you charge $$$ for your product, anything goes.

An Optimod is it?

Reply to
Graham.

Well yes, best in class equipment;!..

8400
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tony sayer

Ah, I see. Buy cheapo 150 ohm resistor, measure, relabel as 147.85 ohms ultra precision, sell for loadsamoney. Just don't ask about the stability...

Theo

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Theo Markettos

with 26A ripple current no less :)

NT

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meow2222

Oh no they didn't! And no, the pantomime season hasn't started early!

All of those values are standard values in the E96 series of resistor values!

E96 ( 1%): 100 121 147 178 215 261 316 383 464 562 681 825 102 124 150 182 221 267 324 392 475 576 698 845 105 127 154 187 226 274 332 402 487 590 715 866 107 130 158 191 232 280 340 412 499 604 732 887 110 133 162 196 237 287 348 422 511 619 750 909 113 137 165 200 243 294 357 432 523 634 768 931 115 140 169 205 249 301 365 442 536 649 787 953 118 143 174 210 255 309 374 453 549 665 806 976

Two significant digits (plus the multiplier) are sufficient for all the lower orders (E6 to E24) but from the E48 series upwards, three significant digits (plus the multiplier) are needed ...

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Terry Casey

Err No Theo, they don't do that, there're very fussy that lot;!.

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tony sayer

Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't;)...

Anyone here -ever- used them?...

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tony sayer

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