Earths can be dangerous

Yes, I understand your argument perfectly well. The problem I am having is that the electrical regs and safe practice protocols have been formulated and revised again and again and again by some extremely clever and highly qualified professionals who have taken the totality of the subject and placed it under the closest possible, exhaustive, pier- reviewed study over the course of many decades. They have, in their infinite wisdom decided that overall and on balance, it is necessary for metal-cased appliances to be earthed. If you think you know better than all that collective knowledge, wisdom and experience, you are deluding yourself. Seriously, you need to think again.

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An interesting concept. Have you not considered what actions Messrs Murphy and Sod might take in response to that gamble? I mean, it's almost like you're throwing down the gauntlet. :-)

If you "understand my argument perfectly well", why do you believe the morons that make regulations? They're paper pushers without common sense, and most likely in it to make money from constantly having people with nothing to do wander around and sign off red tape. It's like speed limits on roads suited to Ford Anglias with drum brakes. The simple fact remains, electrocution requires a COMPLETED CIRCUIT. Inside your house, if nothing at all was earthed, electrocution would be almost impossible. Only outside your house would you encounter an earth (the ground). By all means earth electric mowers etc, but not indoor appliances, it's utterly pointless and very dangerous.

That's about as sensible as believing in god.

And if electric companies had the sense to provide a floating supply, then you couldn't get electrocuted to ground inside or outside the house. Why do you think building sites have isolation transformers? Because earths are dangerous!

I understand what you're getting at; that's all. I don't agree with your solution AT ALL.

Nonsense. The regs are refined over many decades to try to make electrical appliances as safe as possible. Every time there's some accident involving electricity, the full circumstances have to be established. Careful notes are made by properly qualified electrical engineers and in due time their recommendations for improvement find their way into the next revision of regs in a continuous, cumulative process. Over the course of time, electrical safety gradually improves. Clearly you have no appreciation or respect for this process and nothing I can say will change your mind. So on your own head be it. Best of luck!

Anyone like yourself that believes paperpushers over their own common sense clearly lacks intelligence. I suppose you drive at the speed limit too? Or stop at a red light when nobody's coming the other way?

I'm still waiting for some reasoning as to how you'd get an electric shock with no earths present in your kitchen.

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hock with no earths present in your kitchen.

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Consider this. You're using a power tool and unbeknown to you the cord is damaged. As you operate the tool, you're holding the metal chassis. Your arm brushes the live wire on the damaged cord. 240 volts straight through you to the steel chassis to ground. A shock. But if you had no earthing on the appliance, no electric shock. Safer. Earthed appliances only protect against damage INSIDE the appliance, which virtually never happens. Usually damage occurs outside.

OK, now you really *are* sounding like a troll.

Why don't you answer his question? Give your own opinion, or you're the one looking like a fool.

Smoooooth! :-)

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g is touching the washing machine, you can longer complete the circuit and won't get a shock, only a tingle.

er known a chassis to become live due to an internal fault. But damaged fl exes etc etc elsewhere can mean you create a path to ground through the ear thed chassis. And if you've unearthed everything, even if the first scenar io did occur, you can't get a shock!

FWIW I think he's stupid enough to believe what he's saying. We've not seen any photos yet though.

NT

You're excessively optimistic about all that. But way closer the truth than Mr. Sword.

NT

And still no reasoning why your opinion is correct.....

I'm quite happy to be proved wrong. That's proved, by sensible reasoning. Not just "you're wrong I'm right, you're an idiot". That makes you a pathetic little child.

Again.....

Scenario 1, very likely: Cord damaged. Live available in cord. Earth available on chassis. Human or animal touches cord and chassis, gets shock and dies.

Scenario 2, very UNlikely: something damaged inside the device, how could it be, it doesn't get knocked around so much as the cord on the outside. Live touches chassis, chassis becomes live. But then you still need another earth on another appliance to get the shock, so if nothing is earthed, impossible for death.

Blindly following regs is stupidity. If you understand what you're dealing with, you use your own rules. You drive at the speed you can safely drive at, not the speed the government thinks is safe.

Another one bites the dust! 3 wankers in 2 days. :-D

He posted what was a perfectly valid and rather good question, then loses the plot and gets abusive when he gets an answer he doesn't like! I'm having a bit of a plonkfest to cut out the dead wood at the moment and I thoroughly recommend it as it makes reading the group take far less time. :-)

I saw nothing abusive. All I saw was people like you just refuting everything without reasoning.