I've wired up a friend's garage and I would like to leave him a
straightforward drawing of how it was done so that he has a record for
What would be the simplest PC package to do this on ?
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:42:40 -0700, jgharston wrote:
... then, to satisfy the PC requirement, scan it.
I've got a pad of 1/4" squared paper in the cupboard that's really handy
for quick diagrams (USians don't seem to do graph paper unfortunately, or
at least none of the places I've been into yet stock it)
I gave up circuit design after watching an old HP plotter draw in ten
minutes a circuit diagram that would have taken me week to draw in pen
and ink. I 'got into' computers then and never looked back too hard.
CAD leaning curves are steep, but the reults are worth it.
Corel Draw s the best all round 2D package I have found - mixes maths
and pretties very well.
3D Rhino seems to suit me, though others swear by solidworks.
Oh my goodness, CorelDraw is fantastic. It takes a bit of learning to get
the best out of it, but it's full of tricks and shortcuts that make the job
easier. I've been using it since v2. Version 4 was good, 5, 6, and 7 were
bad, 8 was good but had some annoyances, I have no real experience of 9-11
having never loaded them on my own machines, 12 is the one I use now and
it's brilliant, definitely the best ever. I haven't used or seen later
What puts people off CorelDraw is that is isn't very intuitive. You have to
put a bit of effort in.
Just for a laugh, I must tell you this. In the days of Win 3.0 I had
CorelDraw loaded but the only text programme was the crappy thing that came
with Windows. Since I had been forced by work to learn Corel I took to doing
all my text documents on it! It was really hopelessly bad for this, but it
was the best I had. I still have some mag article originals that I wrote in
CorelDraw. And yer tell that to the young people of today and they don't
believe you . . .
The beauty of Acorn Draw is it was written for kids. And even the first
version is pretty powerful. Many later ones with different gizmos - but
still basically the same.
Oh - Coral Draw costs the thick end of 400 quid.
Heh heh - reminds me of making up some logos using a very basic DTP
package. Nothing like improvising.
*Why do the two "sanction"s (noun and verb) mean opposites?*
Dave Plowman firstname.lastname@example.org London SW
Persuade her to upload them to the web and mail you a link. I think
automatic thumbnail creation is a feature of some sites, so you would
know what was on the pics, and you could download them (or not) as
For screenshots, embedded into a word doc works quite well if you're not
competent enough to generate a png. Word compresses them enough to make them
not painful, and people can cope with "prt sc, then paste into a new word
document" if you want eg a picture of an error screen.
That must be some version of Word than I've never used. IME Word
*expands* images (as if jpg -> bmp), and in the most recent version I've
used (2002) the tools that are supposed to compress them are well-hidden
The other problem, for photos rather than screen shots, is that all the
tags (e.g. when taken) are lost.
Memory may be faulty, but IIRC Word uses PNG as the internal format of
bitmaps. Even when Word would not actually accept PNGs themselves. So an
embedded PNG tends to have its size reflected in the total document size
but a BMP if often compressed to some extent.
Also, nasty problem was always getting images out of Word. Copy and
paste produced some bizarre effects. Then I read of the idea of saving
the Word document as HTML - and all the images end up in the underlying
But doing so to Excel is better. I keep getting sent Word screenshots
that are awkward to view - as they are so scaled down to fit within the
margins. And this is getting worse as people generally have larger and
larger screens. (Is Alt+PrtSc too complicated? Most of the time it is a
window they need to report.) The odd person sends an Excel spreadsheet -
I can open the application full screen and see a reasonable screenshot
And yes - the bundled picture tools are unbelievably awkward and slow.
I'd drop a copy of IrfanView on every PC...
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