You would make a good politician, in the way that you have learned
nothing from history.
If smoking was banned tomorrow, a black market of such huge proportions
that would leave class A drug smuggling in the background would
instantly spring up, and it would spiral totally out of control.
Never heard of prohibition ? how did that stop drinking? It didn't, it
just made a lot of criminal gangs very powerful
Yes. And some now, today, supposedly very respectable brewers and
distiller families very rich!
PS. A recent 'innovation' is to sell heavily taxed goods such as
cigarettes and liquor to North American Indian reserves that in
some case straddle the US-Canada border. The goods supplied are
supposedly for use on the those reserves of course. Of course!
Then 'white men' drive onto the reserve (are even encouraged to
do so) and buy those products at much at lower price than in
their own heavily taxed bordering countries. The Indians make a
nice profit, the manufacturers sell more product without the
hassle of tariffs, federal government taxes quotas etc. and the
white men buy it cheaper. Hard to stop every vehicle entering
leaving the reserves on a 24 hour basis eh?
"No liquor or cigarettes officer; we are here just to play some
games at the day/night bingo entertainment hall!" Which also
makes a nice tax free profit for the reserve!
I know that. I was making a hypothetical point to clarify a very simple
point. That was obvious. Smoking should be away from the public.
Non-smokers are the majority by far and we are being short changed by the
government in allowing toxic smelly uncomfortable fumes to come into contact
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Hardly. The Government is always trumpeting how democracy protects the
rights of minorities. Yeah, right. Right up until the moment they
decide that particular minority is no longer worthy of protection.
"The road to Paradise is through Intercourse."
The uk.transport FAQ; http://www.huge.org.uk/transport/FAQ.html
The 'public' is made up of innumerable minorities, just about all of
us are members of some minority or other. Just because something is a
minority interest/pastime/hobby/addiction it shouldn't therefore be
I'm not taking sides in the smoking discussion though.
It's certainly simple to a simple mind. One second's thought would come up
with plenty other activities that impinge on the health of others either
directly or indirectly. Perhaps you'd also ban people mixing with others
if they have a cold?
I shall only in future visit pubs and restaurants where smoking is
allowed, whether I choose to smoke or not. A way of avoiding bigots like
*If at first you don't succeed, try management *
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What just about every minority does "impairs the health of others" to
some extent (motorcyclists, horse riders, model aircraft enthusiasts,
whatever), should they all be put in separate enclosures?
I'm still not taking part in the smoking debate! :-)
You have some mighty strange mental associations with the word "freedom".
What you describe above has nothing to do with freedom. Look it up in a
You truely are an uneducated moron. Anyone with a basic inkling of world
politics knows what "freedom" means to Americans. It means what ever the
leadership wants them to believe, to start whatever conflict they feel is
neccessary at that time. It means nothing to do with personal freedom, of
which the Americans have relatively little (compared to the rest of the free
world). You can't even critise the government publicly without a note going
down on the Total Information Awareness databases. That's hardly free.
E-mails and phone calls are routinely monitored by real systems like
Echelon. Protests, like the one in London last week, aren't allowed. They
set up special "free-speach zones", away from whatever they are protesting.
Don't agree, they'll get the tear gas out.
And don't get me started on what "democracy" means the west. A choice every
five years between two viable choices isn't democracy.
Anyone who looks to America for the definitions of Freedom and Democracy is
Of course, by viable I mean "actually has a chance of winning".
It could be worse. We could be America. ;-)
If Bush wins next year, I'm packing a panic bag & tent and keeping spare
fuel in the car. And a compass to drive north. Maybe a map of known
millitary bases to stay the hell away from. Just in case the shit hits the
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