The trouble is that passive smoking does have a significant impact to
Here are two examples of papers on the subject.....
Law MR et al.
Environmental tobacco smoke exposure and ischaemic heart disease: an
evaluation of the evidence. BMJ 1997; 315: 973-80.
Hackshaw AK et al. The accumulated evidence on lung cancer and
environmental tobacco smoke. BMJ 1997; 315: 980-88.
Both studies indicate causal links between environmental tobacco smoke
and IHD or lung cancer.
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So, you don't like people who don't share your view? Are you a facist?
Personally, I disagree with friends on key issues a lot. An important part
of getting along with people is understanding that everyone is different.
Doesn't look that way to me. Every time I post a comment that you can't find
a "witty" answer for, it gets ignored or not included in the next message
from you. Had the roles been reversed, you'd probably be cutting and pasting
them in shouting "see!! you don't have an answer".
In terms of actual content from you, I've yet to see anything that might
convince anyone round to your point of view. You seen to have the debating
skills of a teenager, if things don't go your way, logic is thrown out of
the window and you stamp your feet saying "no no no no no"...
So, with proof or figures, explain what you find at fault with my statement
above, which is entirely factually accurate.
Hmm, I thought you viewed yourself as "brighter than me". OK, I'll explain:
The "shouting fire in a theatre" is one of the oldest conflicts in "freedom"
legislation, and has been debated over a gazillion times in many countries.
It actually forms part of the US constitution/amendments, IIRC. Now, free
speech says you can say what you want, when you want. Now, if you went into
a movie theatre and shouted "fire!!" at the top of your voice, you'd create
So, the point is that, yes, freedom is a good thing, but everything has
In some ways, this furthers your argument, I'll concede that. My smoking
could be conceived as the "fire!!", trying to cause you harm. But there are
a) In a theatre, you don't expect to be running out for false alarms
b) In a bar, you expect to see people smoking
Knowing this, it is your choice to go there or not.
I aggree with the foam solution.
One thing that occurs to me is if smoke can get through one household to
another it must be a risk in case of fire in one property and therefore
probably doesn't meet fire regulations.
What can you expect from Wimpy though. I bought my first house around that
time and they were well known to be the one developer to avoid if at all
Right. I smoke, and am totally ambivalent about it. On balance I wish I
didn't, but I actually like it. I certainly don't believe in thrusting
it down other peoples noses tho.
OTOH, there are many things that other people do that offends even my
desensitized nostrils - many perfumes over applied leave me sneezing
wheezing and gasping - and frankly, I would far raher see diesels fitted
with particulate filters than smoking banned. FAR more dangerous to the
general public IMHO.
Alcohol is definitely THE most antisocial drug around tho, if statistics
are analysed. Smokers kill themselves and irritate others. Heavy
drinkers mostly kill other people at rather young ages often. Alcohol is
more damaging to the body than heroin.
I have no doubt that smoking will, in time, pass out of common use, as
snuff already has, but lets rather concentrate on more serious issues:
Diesels in particular generate FAR more nasty carcinogenic compounds of
very similar composition than cigarette smoke at a distance does.
If your going to come out with reasonable, well thought out arguments then
kindly keep your opinions to yourself. Next you'll be suggesting that
smokers pay more into the coffers (pun not intended) than they take out!
Wow, what a thread! :) Sorry in delaying replying but I've been
Too many posts to reply to individually but the gist of the thread is
obviously LIFT THOSE BOARDS! Well, I can't for a while as I have a
big desk to dismantle etc and I'm busy doing out another room. But I
now fully expect to find some sort of gaps.
From putting in a power socket in the back room I discovered that they
have built the interior walls over the continous floorboarding, but I
shouldn't think they could do this across individual houses...can
they? This MUST breach any fire regs regarding dividing walls, even
from the '60's!?!
OH well, thanks to you all for the pointers and I'll let you know the
outcome in the future.
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