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;-)

And that's perfectly fine of course. 'Everyone to their own' etc.
Are you 'religious' OOI? (Genuine / serious question).

What, you only eat Turkey at that time of the year?

If I'm ever somewhere where they are on offer I rarely pick mine up. The hats are too small, the crackers rarely 'crack', the toys are usually a waste of our resources and the 'jokes' are (as they are designed to be) sadly corny and often 'childish'.

;-)

Hmmm ...

Ok.

Nothing wrong with that ... at any time of the year?

But not at any other time of the year? ;-(

We wouldn't be able to find them if we did that.

I'm not sure 'conifer' is a very good firewood (it spits and burns too quickly) and I'd prefer all these millions of trees carried on growing rather than found all over the neighbourhood 12 days later. ;-(

Nothing wrong with that. ;-)
So, OOI, do you really only do the things you mention at that time of the year? If 'yes', it is you (well, not you particularly etc) who I think are missing out. ;-)
If I see something that I know someone I am friends with / close to would like / need and I can afford it I get it and give it to them at that time, not just because of some questionable festive / celebration period. I'm guessing (hoping) you do the same (as well)?
If I fancy a turkey roast and it happens to be the 25th of November (or any other day of the year) then I do so. ;-)
If I fancy sitting round a fire and having a drink or singsong then that's what I will do (assuming others want to do the same of course ... I won't light a fire just for myself) ;-)
Re Xmyth ... I (we) really get frustrated that we can't just go and get our weekly shop without it taking much much longer while we queue behind people with trolleys stacked to the brim with enough food to last for 3 weeks (when the shops are open most of the same period) and especially when they run out of the basics (that they never do any other time of the year). Luckily we don't have to suffer the traffic (for the food shopping at least) as we walk to our local shops. ;-)
I also feel sorry for the shops ... who in the most part would rather have their workload spread out evenly throughout the year, not bunched into a few 'special occasions'.
So, like many we actually try to avoid the whole thing as much as possible (short of going away / abroad etc).
Cheers, T i m
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Not seriously. I suppose I would describe myself as CoE (in Scotland!) and have been known to go to church, but I'm certainly not a fanatic.

Yes. Well, roasted, anyway.

Three of us describes two parents and our 14 year old son. We enjoy crackers. Daft, I know, but we do, anyway.

Yeah, I know. Trees up here are half the price of those down south.

Certainly!

Very rarely that all three of us sit together and watch a film, but, for example, year before last we watched all the Harry Potter films together, between 25/12 and 01/01

We have one cupboard into which everything Christmas related is stuffed. Decorations, unused cards, crackers etc.

You're right, it isn't. I burn it on top of glowing coal.

Absolutely not. We (parents) are now retired, and somehow it seems important to differentiate the days, otherwise every day could become the same. Hard to explain, but partly because before retiring, we ran a Post Office, and true days off were rare. The period leading up to 25/12 was hell, so we really enjoyed the break, and did as little as possible. Son, who is a typical 14 year old boy in so many ways, also loves Christmas from buying the tree through to dumping it outside in January. He would be heartbroken if we did any of those things without him.

Of course. I enjoy finding stuff I think others will like, and have already bought or ordered most of what son and wife will receive.

We had, and enjoyed, roast chicken last Sunday (chicken stir fry tonight!), but turkey at Christmas only, partly because a turkey is huge for three of us, and partly because having it just once a year makes it special.

Prior to meeting Wifey, I lived alone in a Victorian semi, and often lit the fire just for my benefit. Well, the cat, too.

Yes, we are right in the centre of the village, and buy as much as we can within walking distance. We're lucky - small Co-op, butcher, baker, grocer etc all within a few yards.

Well, we in the PO certainly would :-)

I was going to say we try to avoid the commercialism, but as we buy stuff, perhaps we don't. We certainly don't go mad, and most of the stuff we eat/drink would be in the house anyway. We'll buy a dessert wine, and Wifey will make a Christmas cake, but she makes other cakes all year round.
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Thanks.

;-)

I wonder why? I mean, if you like it why not have it more often? FWIW, we bought some Turkey today for me to put in a stir fry.

Understood.

Not daft, just not something that everyone considers the same way. But then I'm not easily entertained, along with the Mrs.

It's more the principal than the cost (whatever the cost). I wonder if they would be made available if there wasn't a profit to be made supplying them? Like, how much of the whole tree thing is just more marketing and how much is 'tradition' (all be that a fairly recent one and nothing directly to do with little baby Jesus etc).

Cool. ;-)

And whilst that sounds like it could have been a good / shared family experience, was it? I could possibly imagine that with say the Star Wars series but again, I prefer to watch things like that in silence so it's not a real 'sharing' experience (well, apart from you all being there together etc). Thank goodness for the PVR. ;-)

Nice to have the room. ;-(

Ok. Just watch out for the spitting flames ... ;-(

Ok.

No, not to me anyway.

I bet.

Of course. Very few have complained about having a break at any time of the year. ;-)

Fair enough. 'Luckily' for us our daughter (now 25) has been happy to do whatever she wanted for herself and often just in her room. Now she's a tree surgeon and really wouldn't want a tree in her room. ;-)

Ok.

Spooky. ;-)

Reasonable answer.

Yes, I'd set fire to cats as well (no I wouldn't, but they don't seem to understand I'm really a dog man and dump themselves on my lap anyway).

Handy.

Yeah, I bet, especially considering that 'bulk cards' seem limited to Xmas atm.

Well, there are levels of course.

Ok.

Hmmmm, c a k e.
Right, time to do the Turkey stir fry. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
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"Principle". You're welcome.
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Whilst I'm sure you are trying to help and educate, there is little chance of me remembering the difference, even if I just get close to either of the spellings if the spell checker offers me the contextually incorrect one. ;-(
I have to look at both spellings quite a few times before I can spot any difference.
At least with the spell checker there is a chance you will see a word that resembles what I might be trying to say. My numerical dyslexia has no such help and that can lead to all sorts of issues.
It could also be down to my short term memory. If I go outside to note the registration number of one of our vehicles, there is little chance I'll be able to repeat it accurately by the time I'm back inside. This is especially so if I'm interrupted on the way back.
Now, I can take something to pieces and I can put it back together some years later and it's was as if I took it to bits the day before. Or drive somewhere once using the GPS and not need it thereafter.
I'm sure it is in part to do with how we can see / visualise things differently.
I saw something on TV recently where they were showing how some people simply couldn't visualise something from a description.
I have explained to the Mrs several times exactly why I needed to get a keyway broach and 19mm o/d insert and that I needed those to be able to fit a belt pulley onto a new motor for an old floor standing pillar drill I'm refurbishing ... but even as she was helping me with the broach on the hydraulic press, she had no idea what it was all for.
The relationship between words (and / or numbers) and people seem to be more complex than some may think. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
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Actually, no. I'm (not with any malice) taking the mick.
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Ah, right. Unfortunately, because of my word blindness and apparent lack of focus / priority with spellings because of such, your little pop whooshed me. ;-)
I see the words and as long as I understand the meaning in context, I'd rarely spot how the words were spelled (and therefore that they weren't the correct spellings).
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 04:56:35 +0000, Bill Wright
Ironically (in my case especially), you couldn't be much further from the truth Bill. ;-)
See, what seems to confuse some people is that not everyone considers everything everyone else does as fun, enjoyable or worthwhile / whatever.
Example. 'We' might be invited to a wedding, she would typically go and I generally don't (other than to drop her of if she requires). Now, it's actually more difficult (or it can be if you let it) to say 'No (thanks)' than to just go, because so many people don't understand what an 'invite' is. They seem to think it's some sort of warrant or order, that if invited you must go (for some strange reason)?
Now this must work both ways of course. If I ask someone if they would like to come with me to some show (engineering, car, motorbike, boat, archery etc) and they say 'no thanks' then that's it. I don't pressure them into going if that is their decision.
So, whilst I don't fall for all this social pressure bs, that doesn't make me a miserable person (I'm the opposite in fact) or 'antisocial'. I just often exercise my freedom to choose what I do because I can and that makes me ever happier (as it would).
Luckily (and possibly partly why she is) my Wife is perfectly happy with this deal. We are adults, have discussed it and in general it's only those who are so indoctrinated re what they things they (and therefore 'other people') 'must do' that make it difficult for her.
Wedding, funeral, Xmyth, Halloween, Fireworks night, party member: 'Hi, where's Tim? Mrs: Hi, he's not coming. Wpm: Oh, is he not feeling well or something? Mrs: No, he just doesn't really like <this event>? Wpm: But didn't I just see him in the car? Mrs: Yes, but he just dropped me off because I asked him to and he's going back home to do some stuff in the workshop before picking me up later. Wpm: Oh ... erm ... but he makes us laugh ...
Now, ITRW, I *know* that many of the other people there (often the guys of the couples) don't actually want to be there either but they have been threatened by their partners that they will go and they will enjoy it.
I wouldn't want anyone at any event in my name that didn't want to be there (for whatever reason). Why would anyone want anyone to go though that?
So, where do you (personally) draw the line? Do you go to everything you are invited to? Do you also celibate Diwali, Hanukkah or Ramadan and if not, why not?
And this isn't aimed at just you of course, it's anyone who thinks they have the right to persecute (name call) anyone for not being exactly the same as them. ;-)
'What, you don't do <event>, you miserable so_and_so ...'
Cheers, T i m
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On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 11:20:54 AM UTC, T i m wrote:

Social mores ...
If you are miserable and no fun, they will be glad you are not there.
However, if you are fun and make them laugh (I assume not in derision), then you are regarded as selfish for not going there to entertain them !
Simon.
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 03:45:05 -0800 (PST), sm_jamieson

Seems so ...

True. Except some don't realise you may only be miserable and no fun *because* you are there! That is something I have asked some on occasion. Do you really want me (or anyone) there if they are there against their will and are like a bear with a sore a$$? Some are selfish enough to say yes!

Hehe

I think you have hit the nail on the head Simon.
A trick I used to use (for their benefit) was to say I was going to the (say) company BBQ and then just not turn up. What do they say .. 'It's easier to get forgiveness than permission ...'
And it really isn't always that easy (struggling with the dilemma with their disappointment versus my unhappiness). My niece was in tears over the phone when she couldn't persuade me to go to her wedding (it wasn't just her, I generally don't go to any of them and nearly didn't go to my own). ;-)
What I couldn't get to was the bottom of was exactly *why* she wanted me there (given my feelings about the whole charade). I think it was to simply complete her 'fantasy image' ... I would be missing from the 'family photos' (forever) etc. I did offer to supply her with a life size cardboard cut out of me (heaven forbid) to stand in place for the photos but apparently that wasn't enough. So, I took a car full there, walked some of the dogs for them and went home to carry on doing the things I enjoy doing (and that was basically doing anything than being at that sort of thing).
Maybe because I ran a disco for enough years where I provided the music for such events means I have done my share? ;-)
Now and in most cases I simply 'can't be bothered' with the whole thing. The getting ready, the getting there (I generally do most of the driving), the 'people', the noise (I suffer with tinnitus), the food (not what I want, when I want it or how I like it) and because I'm generally driving I can't numb the pain / boredom with alcohol. ;-(
Cheers, T i m
p.s. My Dad was often seen as being the 'life and soul' of many gatherings but as he got older (and iller) he started seeing it as you described, because he was 'good entertainment' *for them*, so didn't go to as many.
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On Wednesday, 11 November 2015 12:17:56 UTC, T i m wrote:

You really are a miserable, immoral and selfish bastard. Sometimes it's necessary to put oneself out to make others happy.
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:50:17 -0800 (PST), harry

Really? Oh the irony (especially when it comes to selfishness!).

Yes, *sometimes* possibly, not necessarily all the time and on all occasions.
See, if you think going against your will or preference simply to placate the desires of someone else is *always* the correct or the right thing to do then you are even more deluded than I previously thought (and you can imagine how bad that was)! ;-)
Maybe you inability to understand such things is how you seem perfectly happy to rob others (often less well of than you) and be perfectly happy?
I think you *define* the word selfish because at least not doing something that someone else might like isn't anything like your stealing from them!
Cheers, T i m
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How refreshing to find that I'm not the only one who does this. I did surprise the missus by agreeing to attend a wedding next year in the Midlands. Conversation went beifly like this . We not staying in the Hotels your relatives recomend, Why not ? because looking on the map a canal passes at the back of the venue ' we can start a weeks holiday on a narrowboat, moor up for the reception and when it gets tedious I'll come back to the boat. If any of your rellies get annoying then I'll move off down the cut. That's what we are doing.
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:08:39 +0000, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
<snip> >>Example. 'We' might be invited to a wedding, she would typically go

Mate, we are not alone, not by a long chalk, if only more people had the balls to stand up for themselves. ;-(

My mates / family still ask me, just they now can predict what the answer will be. ;-)

Excellent! ;-)
You can (if you are imaginative enough) find such compromises for nearly all of the occasions. I've collected stuff from eBay / Freecycle whilst dropping my Mrs off at some event ... or just 'popped in to show my face' before having to 'pop off' to do something 'important'. ;-)
And sometimes that is all it takes, just to show your face for 5 mins to convince them you aren't shunning them (rather than just not being entertained by such events).
Personally, I would have thought being there for them 24/7 to do real world / important things, no questions asked would be enough but apparently not? ;-(
Cheers, T i m
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On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 12:38:10 PM UTC, T i m wrote:

If I was rich, I rather like the idea of hosting lavish parties and turning up for 5 minutes, then going home (or up to my private wing). Who can criticize you for not attending to your own party ? I'm sure there was a famous socialite that did just that. Simon.
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:30:18 -0800 (PST), sm_jamieson

Hehe.

Exactly, no one (not that some of would care if they did). ;-)

I'm sure many of them have done the exact same thing (and worse / better).
Cheers, T i m
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I had a colleague who retired early on ill health grounds. He wasn't well enough to attend his farewell party.
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On Tuesday, 10 November 2015 21:01:59 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:

I shouldn't bother with Oz. It is not the paradise depicted in the propaganda. Full of poisonous insects/reptiles and worst of all, the flies. There is no architecture worth seeing. The landscape is mostly boring and monotonous. The wildlife is interesting if you're into that sort of thing.
There are better, cheaper places not as far away.
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On Tuesday, 10 November 2015 21:01:59 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Heil Scrooge!
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