Antex Pipemaster Pro - quick review

On Monday 29 July 2013 15:32 Onetap wrote in uk.d-i-y:

I would be surprised if you could get one one after it's used. They are a tight fit before they get a coating of solder - unless you put them on hot.
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On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:04:45 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

It can be done, I've done it (50 mile round trip to nearest plumbers merchant or DIY shed(*)). Once you have the fitting off, flux it well, get it well hot, add more solder, then knock it out by knocking the holding pliers firmly against something with the open end of the fitting in line with direction of travel. Most of the solder will come out. With a 22 mm fitting a slighly damp cloth can be used to wipe the rest out, 15 mm are too small to get a finger safely in... You may still have to use some abrasive paper to remove the last few thou and/or the same on the recipient pipe to get a fit.
(*) We now have a hardware store in the town that carry the very common plumbing bits, only a 5 mile round trip. B-)
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Perfectly possible with enough heat. Not something you'd try and do in a confined space, though.
Anything which is soldered together can be unsoldered. And the copper ain't going to get damaged - unless you do so by trying to separate it before the solder is melted.
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Solder ring are much more expensive than end feed - and if you can solder Yorkshires ok, end feed shouldn't be a problem.
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On 29/07/2013 10:49, Onetap wrote:

Or someone who likes neat soldering. You can easily get solder drips and stuff with end feed while its very difficult to do that with solder ring.
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Never thought of wiping any excess off? Although with a bit of practice, there shouldn't be any excess.
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On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:35:11 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

Or neatness, I don't like the buldge on solder ring fittings.

Meh, that's what your bit of "moleskin" is for. To wipe the joints like a real plumber. B-)
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On Monday, July 29, 2013 6:35:11 PM UTC+1, dennis@home wrote: >

Someone who has mastered soldering = someone who can solder end feed fittings neatly, without leaving solder runs down the pipe. Lots of practice required.
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Yup - I've seen plumbers do this. Not a good idea, as too much solder can build up inside the joint and restrict the flow.
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On 29/07/2013 10:49, Onetap wrote:

I was thinking of a polite repost to that, but the word I keep coming back to is "bollocks".

Plumbers are usually cost sensitive, so will opt for end feed as its cheaper, however I have not many any that refuse to use soldering in situations where it makes the job quicker or easier.

Not all are created equal. Lets face it, it they were all highly skilled experts, they would be on usenet talking about it instead of doing it.
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Just to be clear, you think that honey is a secretion from the nasal mucosa of sloths?

Or are you being a reseller of ironing boards made specifically for gnomes?

Yes, like, whatever.

Care to compare the total cost?
Last time I checked 50m of 15mm copper tube was £150.
For 50m of 16mm PEX-AL-PEX it was £50.
Fittings seem to range from 50p to £1.00 depending in size, type and material. You can buy a lot of fittings for £100.
Are you spoiling for yet another pointless argument BTW? If so I'm not bloody interested.
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Thought you'd have no sensible answer.
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Try not begging the question and of course you snipped the sensible answer. Why are you constantly spoiling for a fight?
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That from one who thinks because something is common in the rest of Europe, it must be best. It may well be nice and easy and cheap. Not the same thing.
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Perhaps you can reference a post in which I said that because it was used in Europe it was "best"? I'd like to see that.
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Crikey. That's one of your best wriggles for ages. You should stand for parliament.
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On 28/07/2013 12:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Where I work, when moving into a new build factory/office they had two push fit joints fail within two years with the release of a lot of water.
After the second failure the company had the maintenance team in for a weekend solely to check all the push fit joints. All plumbing was relatively easily accessible under raised floors and suspended ceilings.
Possibly the failure of a couple of push fit joints in thousands is no different from the failure expected in other methods of jointing.
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On Saturday, August 3, 2013 5:18:58 PM UTC+1, alan wrote:

I've never seen a properly soldered joint that had failed.
Badly soldered, elbow worn through, dripping compression joints, etc., but never a good soldered joint.
Plumbers usually use end-feed in their own houses.
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On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:18:26 -0700 (PDT)

That's because it's cheap. :-)
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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 17:18:58 +0100, alan wrote:

Trouble is the falure mode of push fit plastic tends to be the pipe popping right out of the joint or the O ring giving up, both of which either produce a lot of water or a fair amount of water.
Compression failure mode tends to be just a weep. Solder rarely fails.
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