I think you just need to use screws much closer to the size of the hole than was traditional with the older style of screw. I usually put 4mm screws in yellow plugs in 4.5mm holes. That's a much 'tighter' fit than one would have attempted with the older sort of screw.
Not me for one.
Old type woodscrews had a nasty habit of shearing - and that's if you didn't chew up the slot first. Also, if using a power driver, far more chance of the bit slipping. Injuries in industry dropped dramatically with the change to pozidriv etc.
Also, modern screws grip better to any wood or chipboard etc. Their stronger material allows a better thread/shank ratio.
If you've problems with a brick wall fixing giving way, then the screw size is too short, too small, the hole is wrong, or you're using the wrong type of plug.
The only time I now prefer slot screws is for ornamental purposes - like with exposed brass hinges.
I don't think I've ever sheared an old style steel woodscrew, other than seriously rusty ones I've tried to remove. I've sheared a few brass ones though. I've also sheared a few of these modern thin-shanked, hardened screws too, probably because the hardening process was incorrectly done, leaving the shanks brittle.
I'm not a great fan of power driving screws for wall fixings, especially if the screw is slotted. I like to feel what is going on. For serious fixings I use a short-crank carpenter's ratchet brace with a good quality parallel blade bit in the chuck. Lots of pressure and leverage, lots of feedback and control and no batteries to charge :-)
Agreed. I said as much in my originating post.
Except that I used the manufacturer's supplied screws and wallplugs and the correct size drill. The result was loose screws and reamed wallplugs.
I hope you align all the slots.
LOL!
Reminds me of father in law who always put his hub caps on with the 'W' the same way up and couldn't understand why they kept changing ...
Mary
Ah. I don't think I've *ever* found supplied screws and plugs any use for the purpose intended. They're never long enough to go through the average thickness of plaster and into brick properly. Think if they can save
0.00000000000001p they will.Naturally.
The latest 'BMW' Rolls Royce has the wheel badges weighted so they stay upright. Or knowing BMW, gyroscopically stabilised.
Problem solved - thank goodness for car boot sales!
1 x box No.12 x 2.1/2" 'proper' c/sunk woodscrews for £1.00.BTW, I think this is one of the longest threads (no pun) I have ever initiated, even if it did wander way off target when the 'nostalgia brigade' hijacked it :-)
If you really want old style screws of many sizes you're welcome to the ones I've got left. Many pretty large ones, and quite a few.
Thanks for the kind offer, Dave
I do have loads of the 'old style' woodscrews myself. It's just that in traditional Sod's Law fashion, I never seem to have the size I actually need (No.12 x 2.1/2", in this instance).
I still have old tobacco tins full of various size woodscrews left over from the sixties, when I was an apprentice electrician (no, I didn't smoke - girlfriend's father used to donate his empty baccy tins). Jolly useful storage containers, those old metal tobacco tins.
A friend who found the No.12 x 2.1/2" woodscrews for me at the car boot sale said the seller had loads of them and they were selling surprisingly fast. Collector's items, I suppose.
Can't help there.
I've got 3.5, 3, and 2" all in 12. No 2.5 ;-)
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