40+ year-old cars no longer need a MOT

Heard this on the TV last night seems a strange idea, but not having a car it's less likely to affect me but I'm not convinced it's the good idea some have claimed it to be.
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On Wed, 16 May 2018 08:49:55 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

I think the idea is such cars are almost exclusively going to be exhibited rather that seriously driven.
Bearing in mind there are a myriad of offences that can be committed by driving an unroadworthy car on a public road - MOT or no MOT.
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They're still normally driven to the event. Which can be many miles away. Plenty 40 year old cars are practical to drive anywhere - unlike perhaps pre WW2 ones.
And I own one - not quite 40 years old - and think it a nonsense any vehicle should be allowed on the roads without an annual safety check. Nor do I see why an old vehicle should be VED exempt either. They make use of the roads in exactly the same way as any car doing the same sort of annual mileage.
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On Thursday, 17 May 2018 00:11:52 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

No old car could pass modern safety standards. It's how it is. The further you go back the more unsuitable the MOT tests are. Go back far enough and cars don't even pass some of the most basic requirements.
The mentality also changes. Drivers of history pieces are normally well aware of the vehicle's limitations & issues and drive them accordingly, which is a very different approach to the average driver.
Some people think old cars should be as safe as new. It can never happen, nor need it.
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Who said they should? An annual safety check to make sure everything safety related works as designed make even more sense on a car which could be laid up all winter.

Err, do you know when the MOT came in - and what its purpose was?

If you are talking 100 year old cars, maybe.

So perfectly safe to take an old car with bald tyres and faulty brakes on the road, is it? because it will be driven carefully?
Bit different from saying old drivers should be banned because they drive slowly...

Making sure an old car has brakes etc that work as intended, and isn't going to have the suspension collapse through rust seems eminently sensible to anyone who isn't trying to win a few votes.
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On Thu, 17 May 2018 10:47:09 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"

And why when they conducted a straw poll on TV on the subject recently I believe the majority of said classic car owners said they would put their cars though the MOT (equivalent) test voluntarily.
That said, I didn't with the electric car because:
1) It only did 30 mph and had a 20 mile range. 2) It had a box section steel chassis that was easily visible / inspected. 3) I could (and did) inspect all the other components like steering, suspension, lighting and brakes.
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On Thursday, 17 May 2018 11:05:12 UTC+1, T i m wrote:

Must have been the same program I was watching. I remmebr when at a Singers ownsers club when they were talking about MOTs one said he can't drive it on the public road because it didn't have any br eak lights that's how it was build obviously no seat belts either, so he to ok it to the show/event on a trailer.
For me it'd make sense for all cars to be checked and those cars should com e up to the standard of the time they were built. What I wouldnlt want is old cars that were scrapped being brought back into use by the sort of people that do dodegy/dangerous repairs and the like an d then using them unsafely or selling them on to the unknowing.
I wonder if there's any cars with dodgy cladding ;-)
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On Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:18:44 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:

s one said he can't drive it on the public road because it didn't have any break lights that's how it was build obviously no seat belts either, so he took it to the show/event on a trailer.
not hard to use a trailer board with it, or other removable lights. I think if I had an old Singer I'd be a bit nervous about taking it on the road :)

ome up to the standard of the time they were built.
some oldies were never upto such standards to begin with

to use by the sort of people that do dodegy/dangerous repairs and the like and then using them unsafely or selling them on to the unknowing.
I've never seen those sort of practices with classic cars - not in modern t imes that is. People who buy such cars either really know their stuff, or t he very few that don't get them thoroughly checked.

Clad vehicles are certainly not common but they do exist. Look at some of t he early house cars etc.
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On Thursday, 17 May 2018 13:37:39 UTC+1, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

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OTs one said he can't drive it on the public road because it didn't have an y break lights that's how it was build obviously no seat belts either, so h e took it to the show/event on a trailer.

nk if I had an old Singer I'd be a bit nervous about taking it on the road :)

come up to the standard of the time they were built.

into use by the sort of people that do dodegy/dangerous repairs and the lik e and then using them unsafely or selling them on to the unknowing.

times that is.
That's because they are classic cars rather than just old cars. Theere;s an oldish car in my street looks a right state almost like it;s be en dumped, it might be a classic not sure who that is defined.

that don't get them thoroughly checked.
I agree but I see that changing, if people think they can use old cars chea ply.

the early house cars etc.
Have you seen this most amusing . I've no idea what sot of MOT that would n eed.
100m MPH shed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-44054814

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There is no offical definition of a classic car. Unlike vintage and veteran.
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In Scouseland a 40 year old car would be called Nearly New.
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But is the 'official' definition of vintage and veteran something actually enshrined in UK legislation, or just some words in a dictionary, or something thought up on the spot many years ago by a veteran and / or vintage car club?
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Dunno. Just terms the definition of such is accepted by those who understand such things. Unlike classic. Classic is used for any old car which doesn't fit another category. A car certainly doesn't have to be a 'classic' in the meaning of the word to be called one. Merely in the eye of the owner.
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On Fri, 18 May 2018 13:52:41 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"

Well it was you that said "There is no offical definition of a classic car. Unlike vintage and veteran."
The terms vintage and veteran appear almost unique to the UK, other countries have other terms with sometimes different cutoff points and the term classic might even apply to everything post veteran.
The UK specialist motoring press classed some 10 -20 year old cars as classics in the early 1980's, those like a friend of mine with a 1930's MG's and another with a 1930's Rolls-Royce were appalled but those early 60's and 70's cars are certainly deemed classics now but would the same apply today?
Would a 2008 Toyota Prius never used as a minicab ever meet the grade?
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Nope, most of the ex colonys except the US use them too.

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That certainly shows you have no direct knowledge of the hobby. I'd suggest you find yourself a forum etc dedicated to classic cars and see if you them think all the owners as responsible as your guess.
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On Thursday, 17 May 2018 14:44:52 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I have run classic vehicles. If you've not figured that out from many of my posts before you're brain dead.
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If you think every single car over 40 years old is maintained to perfection, you live in a very different world to the one I know.
And removing the need for an MOT would simply make this worse. It certainly ain't going to make it better.
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Lighting regs were one of the few which were retrospective. Cars built with only one tail light had to be converted to two. Same with single dip headlights. All this in the early 1950s. And that Singer almost certainly had a brake light when new.
Seats belts are different.

Quite. All it needs is decent maintenance. And it's a complete fallacy an old car owner will always maintain them perfectly.

It already happens. Some older cars can be quite valuable. Plenty profit in bodging them up for sale to the unwary. Perhaps even more so today, where so few do any work on their everyday car, so have never learned how to service and repair.

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On Thu, 17 May 2018 14:32:06 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"

Luckily my Messerschmitt KR200 (with it's single stop light) is classified as a Motorised tricycle so (hopefully?) can stay as it was built. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
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