What screws to rehang a door, going to store soon.

[Scott Lurndal]

It seems to me to be a cross-grain glue joint. Not as strong as a long-grain glue line, and not as weak as gluing to endgrain.

[Marilyn Manson]

A proper glue joint would be impossible to break just by tightening a screw.

We would need more details regarding the cabinet material, glue used, and method applied before we could explain why your "glue-job" didn't hold up to tightening of the screw.

[Jim Joyce]

I haven't heard of a cross-grain joint, but I know what you mean. The grain is certainly perpendicular, but AFAIK it's still long grain to long grain. The only other option would be end grain, and this isn't that.

Either way, the important point is that it's not the glue joint that will fail, unless perhaps a person was using a weird kind of glue or something. I'm not even sure what would be that weak, that a turning screw could break it.

[Marilyn Manson]

How long of a dowel/plug do you expect Micky to be using?

He's got a hole from a 7/8" screw, part of which was in the hinge. We're suggesting replacing the existing screws with 2 1/2" screws. The 2 1/2" screw probably won't even have threads where the original hole is. The threads will be biting into the stile beyond the original hole.

I'd probably fill the hole with something just because I'm anal, but from a structural viewpoint, it's not even necessary.

[Ed Pawlowski]

By the time micky sets up to do all of that he can get a new door and frame. Plug cutters work best with a drill press too.

With longer screws most any of the suggestions should work.

[Marilyn Manson]

Including the matchsticks. ;-)

[Marilyn Manson]

Isn't anybody going to suggest a Vix bit for after he puts the dowels in the holes and loses the already centered screw hole?

[Jim Joyce]

I consider Vix bits to be a nice-to-have, not a must-have. I have a set that I picked up about 8 years ago, but I got along just fine without them for the decades before that just by being careful when I drill.

[Big Al]

Al

[Scott Lurndal]

IIRC, he was using Canadian glue :-)

[Scott Lurndal]

A simple centering punch of the correct diameter is sufficient.

[TimR]

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: That said, I don't have a plug cutter and dowels have worked very well for me so far.

It being Micky, about an 80% chance he'll burn the house down again first.

Hope he's okay.

[Marilyn Manson]

Sufficient doesn't mean efficient.

If I need to install 6' of piano hinge, punching then drilling may be "sufficient", but a Vix bit is much more *efficient*.

[Scott Lurndal]

Wasn't the OP fixing a single hinge?

[Ed Pawlowski]

One door kicked in, likely three hinges.

[4587Joey]

In fact he said 3 hinges and that surprised some.

[Marilyn Manson]

Actually, it was the top 2 of 3 and if the top 2 had 7/8" screws, odds are pretty high that the 3rd one does also. It sounds like 12 screws should be replaced assuming he wants to go with longer screws for all 12.

Does Micky need a Vix bit? Well, it certainly can't hurt. I doubt that he has has a "centering punch of the correct diameter" so he might be buying tools anyway.

The price difference is negligible and I think Micky would fair better with a Vix bit.

Yes, a centering bunch is a more generalized tool, but we're talking about ~$8 purchase. Heck, buy both. ;-)

[Scott Lurndal]

I got a 28 pc set of transfer punches from HF for less than USD10. Today they're USD12.

They've been very useful. Of course, HF has a 3pc vix knockoff for USD9.

[Marilyn Manson]

Micky should buy both. With inflation, they'll be USD15 and USD12 in a few weeks.

He can sell them for USD15 and USD12, saving the buyer the sales tax and making a couple of bucks. He'd be "renting" the tools and making a profit when he's done with them.

[TimR]

Nah. As soon as somebody sees the door has been repaired, they'll realize he bought those tools, and they'll come to steal them.