In cases, online or in person, where ID is requested and someone wants to supply a utility bill such as electric, gas, phone, internet, oil do you know if they insist on a paper bill or will some/many/most places accept a screen shot or printout of one's online bill?
I think many people are like me and I haven't received a utility bill in
The print out of my electric bull is identical to the ones they mail. I don't know if they could tell, let alone reject it.
Call the relevant place and ask them. Different businesses are likely to have different policies.
This is more of a hypothetical question now, so there is no particular place.
Well, my nephew is trying to get his father, my brother's birth certificate, and we're told that the fact that my brother was adopted and his name changed when he was 5 makes it a problem. I guess that's because neither my brother or his son has the surname that is on the birth certificate, but that must be pretty common. But I was told by VitalCheck, a part of Lexus/Nexis, that retrieves birth certificates, etc. that it could be necessary to hire a lawyer in the state where none of us lives now to change the name on the birth certificate.
That seems absurd. It's one thing if a woman gave a baby up within a fwe days of giving birth and the adoptive parents want their name on the birth certificate, but after 5 years shouldn't the cert show his name when he was born? They shouldn't be rewriting history. My mother and her new husband who adopted him certianly didn't care what was on the birth certificate.
Ed, you're right about my electric bill. Maybe the other ones too
Have the nephew read this entry in Wikipedia re adopted birth records. It has several leads on groups who help adoptees find the information they need.
It's amaz Open records: After a legal adoption in the United States, an adopted person's original birth certificate is usually amended and replaced with a new post-adoption birth certificate. The names of any birth parents listed on the original birth certificate are replaced on an amended certificate with the names of the adoptive parents, making it appear that the child was born to the adoptive parents.[188] Beginning in the late 1930s and continuing through the 1970s, state laws allowed for the sealing of original birth certificates after an adoption and, except in some states, made the original birth certificate unavailable to the adopted person even at the age of majority.[189].....
Someone had posted a url for Minnesota, and that's what minn still does, it amends and seals the original, after demanding $40 from the adoptive parents!! Those adopted in Minn. but born elsewhere are also charge $40 and Minn sends the money to the other state, whether it's enough or not. . I'm sure no one notified indiana in 1946, and I still say for anyone but an infant who spent only a few days with his birth monther, for someone who was a year old, or 15 years old, it is and always was ridiculous to hide hir past.
My brother always knew who his birth father was -- of course -- he knew his grandparents, uncles, aunts, visited them on vacations. Continued to visit his aunt (who was a state senator for 40 years) unttl she died in
2006 He knew his father's history. Why change the birth certificate. My mother even saved some of his father's medical stuff for him. His father was an M.D., died when my brother was 1. When my my mother was going to remarry, 5 years later, she had a little storage room made in the attic of the house she lived in then so she could rent the hous and store things, including her husband's desk chair and his sterilizer. So that, I guess, her son when he became a doctor could use them. And by golly my brother did become a doctor when he was 24. But then by the time he was 28 he was a radiologist, and they don't use sterilizers, at least he never did. And I have the chair, which I can't bring myself to get rid of, even though the owner was not my father.It doesn't swivel or recline and it does not have padded arms or seat. I think that was the standard in 1930 ???? or maybe he had bought a cheap one for lack of money.
Even in the 1700's they should have been able to distinguish a baby born outside of marriage from one in which one parent died and the other remarried, I'm assuming and all the texts are sex-neutral that they did this and do this also when the mother died and the new wife adopts.
May vary by state. We lived in PA at the time and our names were on the certificate. If one was ever issued for the birth mother, we never knew about it. In our two cases, we had the baby a couple of days after birth so an extended time could change things too.
I finally remember that I knew about the practice already, and approved of it, when like in your case, you got the baby very early. It never occurred to me it would be done for 5 year olds. My brother knew and knows his father's family, visited his grandparents 100 miles from where he and his mother lived. I'm sure they visited him, plus he knew his aunts and uncles and cousins, When his aunt, his father's sister, a famous woman in eastern Pennsylvania, was sick in 2006, 60 years after he was adopted he made sure to visit her before she died.
Some people get adopted when they are 15 or even 17. It's silly to change their birth certificate, to pretend the past never happened. I don't think that about your case.
For that matter, I don't think birth parents should be disclosed even to the child if the birth parents don't want it. The wikipedia article Retired2 posted talked about knowing medical history and maybe some other objection. Medical history could be preserved without disclosing their names.
I don't think I couls say that if only the adoptive parents object. Even though I think adoption is wonderful and I admire people who don't settle for what their biology gives them, who go out and find themselves some kids who need parents. Did your children ever try to find their biologica. parents?
A guy I worked with went to Chile, twice, for babies. The second time, he and his wife woke up in the hotel the morning after they got there, the day they were to meet the social worker, and there were tanks and soldiers in the street of Santiago, a revolution, but life goes on and they went to their appointment and everything was as if there were no revolution. Being not naive, he brought extra money to grease the wheels in case there was some problem. But there wasn't, so when things were done, he offered the money anyhow. The social worker said that the bio. mother had a good job in southern Chile, had already left Santiago and gone home, and the sooial work refused the money. Which imo she dcould have easily taken and kept for herself, but corruption is not present everywhere. (And even I think this would be a very mild form of corruption since it wasn't going to change any result, and could just be considered a tip for a job well done. In fact maybe I shouldn't bave called it corruption at all, but she refused the money.)
As it turns out, my best resarch is that to get Mexican citizehship, all my nephew needs is his mother's birth certificate. His father could be from Mars and it wouldn't change that he has one parent born in Mexico. My nephew is sort of a flake, plus I think someone might have told him, You need your parent's birth certificate, and he thought they said his parents' birth certifcate&.
But I'm glad to learn about all this anyhow.
I was born in the mid 1940s. About a year or so after I was born, in the same state where I was born and where my parents and I continued to live, my parents went to court and legally changed our last names (father, mother, and I). I have two notarized birth certificates; the original and the original with a pen and ink notation striking through my birth last name and inserting the changed name, along with the notation "per order of the [named court], court order #[specified] and dated [specified]. No adoption in my scenario but I suspect the procedure would have been the same in the case of an adoption.
I've never needed a fully re-issued birth certificate showing only my legally changed last name, but I suspect I could obtain a notarized copy of the court order because I know the court, the serial number of the court order, and the date the order was issued. The notarized and annotated birth certificate has been accepted by multiple local, state, and federal offices whenever I've been required to produce my birth certificate.
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