I noticed the price of a television I purchased last year has gone up by
about 70 bucks at walmat. I was told it's because they've added the
digital receiver to 'em. Seems like a waste unless you use a mast
I like the (old) CRT types as they react (in spite of all the new
technology) the fastest when watching sports etc..
Well, it may not be long until you can no longer enjoy your analog TV
(unless you purchase a digital-to-analog converter) as FCC mandated all
analog TV broadcasting to stop on February 17, 2009. Well, that's air
broadcasting. I'm sure your local cable company will be happy to send you
analog signal for as long as you pay them.
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What law is that? The FCC is shutting down NTSC BROADCAST signals,
which doesn't say anything about cable. Nor do they care, because
the push to go digital is so the FCC can auction off the spectrum now
occupied by digital and rake in billions.
Wrong on both counts. NTSC is NTSC regardless of delivery method (air,
cable, DVD). You can't put a NTSC DVD into a DVD player for PAL tv's and
expect it to work - it won't. The two standards are incompatible.
DVDs store audio/video digitally. NTSC and PAL (and SECAM) are analog
standards, and DVDs data is NEVER stored that way (it's always
digital). However, the data on the DVD is stored is a particular way
(bit rate, number of lines, etc...) that can easily be converted to
that analog video standard. Data is stored interlaced.
BTW, I'm in the US and find that most DVD players can play PAL-format
disks (those without region-code blocking). The video output appears
to be PAL and won't display correctly on most TVs. I do have a video
projector that will work with either.
The spectrum can be auctioned off as soon as the analog TV transmitters
are shut down. Cable TV systems already use mostly different
frequencies to carry analog TV, and can continue to do so indefinitely.
There's no technical reason they would need to stop, although eventually
it may be difficult to find TVs with analog cable tuners.
First THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR HD otherwise known as high def!
Congress is forcing the end of analog over the air transmissions but
as long as you have cable or satellite it doesnt matter.
digital doesnt necessarily mean better picture quality
locally nearly no one has a over the air antenna, people rightly or
wrongly think it looks bad. Here in pittsburgh with the hills you need
a really good antenna, with a rotor.
again the change doesnt matter unless you watch tv OTA
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:54:37 -0000, " email@example.com"
Digital! That's what I meant. Sorry.
Someone on this list or more likely sci.electronics.repair said a feww
months ago that it applied to cable too, and posted a link to
government or at least a serious looking site that gave the text of
the reg or statute that required this. It looked real to me.
I've searched for this thread for the last 20 minutes in my old s.e.r
posts and via groups.google, and I can't find it.
again, I read otherwise. It seems stupid which is why I called it
I would suggest calling the cable company to find out, but I don't
think that's reliable. Everytime I call my ISP they say an
improvement is due within a few months, even though it takes years or
DVD players, camcorders, video games, etc.) will work on digital TV sets, but
not in high definition. Their video will be displayed in the maximum resolution
that is available with each product.
But what about the opposite question. Will current VCRs and DVD
recorder be able to record digital signals off of the cable or
satellite? Do digital tv's have an analog output, or will all the
analog vcrs and dvd recorders be obsolete for those with digital
reception? I think the answer to the first is No, and to the second
Well, I've looked for another 60 minutes and foudn some interesting
stuff, including several who agree that cable will still have analog,
until they stop for lack of profit,
But I've still found no reference to what I know I read, that there is
a reg against this.
I would be happy if cable had analog, because it would give me one
more alternative. I have a tv in every rroom, a color tv finally, and
no way am I replacing all of these, or any, with digital tvs.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm glad to see NTSC go away. NTSC was
never designed to handle color data it was added as a "hack" and is a
very inefficient system. With the move to HD (really ATSC as it's not
a resolution dependant issue) you get the delivery of a channel in much
If you want to keep your old TV's you will be able to buy cheap
converters (just like are used for cable reception) that will convert
the new ATSC signal to NTSC. Getting rid of old technology often
causes a little hardship but everyone is better off in the end.
Example - God knows we should have suffered the "pain" of converting to
metric long ago but we can thank the pandering politicians for our
current backwards standard.
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:35:44 GMT, Trent Stevens
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I don't care about stuff like that. I don't care about high
definition. I don't even care much about current good definition. On
some of the tvs on some of the stations, I get perfect pictures, but
on others I get various levels of low quality reception, but if it's
viewable, I don't even care about that. Usually I just need to know
what's going on.
A problem with digital is that when the signal is inadequate, instead
of getting a poor picture, one may get no picture at all.
That will work for the ones that are connected to my local network of
coax, but it won't work for my 2" TV, or, unless I run more cable
outside, the TV I use outside. In this case, there is no good way to
run cable outside. Maybe I can buy a second box and tape it to the
top of my 12" B&W that I leave outside under a shelf all summer.
BTW, I don't really consider an 80 or 100 dollar box with a 40 dollar
discount coupon to be cheap. That's 80 to 120 dollars for two of
them, out of my pocket. For some with an ongoing moderate to high
income, that's not much, but it is real money to me and others.
NO. You must mean ON AVERAGE everyone is better off in the end. When
these changes occur, there are almost always people who are worse off
in the end. And in this case there will be millions who are worse
This is an example of what I'm talking about. I would have gotten no
benefit except maybe some slightly cheaper prices on some things by
the use of metric. I might have saved 50 dollars in my lifetime, but
at the cost of great annoyance and great effort on my part. I would
have been worse off, as would have been most people my age or older at
the time they started to do this and then didn't (I was about 30).
NTSC (Never The Same Color) is indeed a hack, but a perfectly good hack.
The quality is quite acceptable given a clean transmission.
Bandwidth isn't really an issue either as the voluminous gaps in the
NTSC transmission spectrum can be back filled with lots of narrow band
digital signals as is done on cable.
Really? Cheap converters? Hardly. I define "cheap" as <$25 and I fully
expect all such converters will be upwards of $100 the same as the old
closed caption boxes were until CC decoders were mandated to be
integrated into new TVs (over 14"). Since the bulk of the clueless
public will buy new TVs rather than converters, converters will remain a
fringe item just like CC decoders were and will remain expensive.
Problem is in this case there is no good reason to get rid of the old
technology. New technology can be introduced and the old technology can
fade away on it's own if the new technology is accepted. Based on the
apparent adoption rates of the ATSC stuff today, it doesn't seem to be
getting accepted too rapidly. The new "HD" radio junk is pretty lame
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