Toyota wires are thinner

The wires in my Toyota are much thinner than the wires in any of my American cars were. I've had GM and Chryslers built from 1950 to 1995, and Toyotas from 2000 and 2005.

I'm not saying they are too thin, just thinner. Do you know why?

I see two poassible reasons.

1) Increased efforts to save money and help the environment, by using thinner and thus cheaper wire. Perhaps wires in American cars are thinnner now too??

2) Japan and the Japanese domestic auto industry after WWII was short of money and had to economize any way it could. Thinner, cheaper wires were one way, and now, even though they are making plenty money, they see no reason to change.

It matters only when I'm trying to splice wires, and I have to be more careful not to cut the wires while stripping the insulation. But the wires are so thin that there have been connections I don't try to make, because, where it's difficult to reach a wire, up under the dashboard, for example, that makes it even more likely I'll cut the wire and makes it harder to repair it.

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micky
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I've only used these once or twice - but no issues :

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John T.

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hubops

3) Copper is expensive.

4) Weight. Every pound counts towards EPA fuel ratings. Seriously. IIRC, domestic cars use mostly 20Ga wire. I don't remember but Japanese may use 22Ga. There is a *lot* of wire in a car.

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krw

You missed the third reason. Japanese wiring is more efficient than big, fat, American wiring.

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Dean Hoffman

On Wed, 05 May 2021 13:34:29 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@ccanoemail.ca posted for all of us to digest...

Oh no! Scotchlock connectors 8( I have replaced them in numerous occasions. Usually after-market installs of alarms, remote starts, plows, etc. They may work for awhile (whatever that is) but are unreliable over time with vibration. Best done with heat shrink and solder or crimping.

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Tekkie©

On Wed, 05 May 2021 13:10:37 -0400, micky posted for all of us to digest...

Did you ever consider that much of what a car operates on is computer controlled? The wire sizes are set for load by the SAE which any manufacturer would seemingly not violate.

If you have trouble cutting the wire while stripping insulation you are using a notch size too small, cheap stripper or a knife. The trick is to start with a bigger wire size and if that doesn't work go one size smaller. Let the stripper do the work. Wire gauge is opposite of size i.e. 22 gauge is smaller than 18 gauge.

If you have the green crusties then you have water ingress.

Put the wire back in the loom when done making sure it is as close to the location as it was. Some situations may require the loom/wire be relocated due to manufacturers defect /-(

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Tekkie©

Checkout the Wago Leaver nuts. They are reusable and fit a broad range of wire.

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Ralph Mowery

On Wed, 5 May 2021 17:18:49 -0400, Ralph Mowery posted for all of us to digest...

I am VERY familiar with them. They sent me two big bags of samples, gratis. I don't believe they are made for automotive application.

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Tekkie©

OP's problem was stripping the wire - not solved with these. A decent wire stripper is really what he needs. John T.

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hubops

Newer electronics draw less current than the older technology. I imagine American cars are doing the same ... assuming there still is an "American car".

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gfretwell

I wrote a nice, interesting answer, and then it all got lost in a crash. It's so much harder to write the same thing again, but maybe tomorrow I will. I also want to look at the car again.

(A good wire stripper won't solve the problem for a couple reasons.)

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micky

So you're agreeing that the Japanese use thinnner wire than the Americans do?

Do you think it had to do with post-war poverty in Japan?

Have the Americans made their wires thinner than in the 1990's?

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micky

We're all on the edges of our seats in anticipation. John T.

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hubops

The wires on 24V vehicles are thinner than them on 12V vehicles. Yes I do know why.

"Dad, why are the wires made of lots of little thin wires?" "There's one for each volt son." "Dad, I've counted the thin wires in this thick one and there's 84. So is that 84 volts?" "It's your bedtime."

Bill

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williamwright

There is NO APPLICATION FOR A WIRE NUT IN A CAR!! Period

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Clare Snyder

Yes. and the've used aluminum too. And "ribbon wire" On the whole American (and european) wiring is crappier than Japanese

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Clare Snyder

Yeahbut, I've never seen a 24 volt system on a car.

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Dean Hoffman

I bought a trailer light harness for the Toyota. When I looked at the gauge of the taillight wiring and the tight location I decided I might do it some other day if I really wanted to hook up the trailer.

That model is rated for towing in the US so a Y connector wasn't available. Oddly in the Canadian manual it is rated for 500 lb max.

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rbowman

I think it's probably a modern vs older, rather than japanese vs american thing?

Car manufacturers seem to use "thin wall" cables now, using a tougher grade of PVC so that a greater %age of the overall volume of the wire is copper rather than plastic. Probably reduced copper too due to lower current requirements, as others have mentioned.

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Andy Burns

I thought it was to to with everything being CAN BUS now. Most of the wires just carry signals, essential power is carried by fewer thicker wires.

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Tim

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