Toyota wires are thinner

May 05, 2021 Last reply: 5 years ago 13 Replies

The wires in my Toyota are much thinner than the wires in any of my American cars were. I've had GM and Chryslers built from 1950 to 1995, and Toyotas from 2000 and 2005.



I'm not saying they are too thin, just thinner. Do you know why?



I see two poassible reasons.


1) Increased efforts to save money and help the environment, by using thinner and thus cheaper wire. Perhaps wires in American cars are thinnner now too??


2) Japan and the Japanese domestic auto industry after WWII was short of money and had to economize any way it could. Thinner, cheaper wires were one way, and now, even though they are making plenty money, they see no reason to change.


It matters only when I'm trying to splice wires, and I have to be more careful not to cut the wires while stripping the insulation. But the wires are so thin that there have been connections I don't try to make, because, where it's difficult to reach a wire, up under the dashboard, for example, that makes it even more likely I'll cut the wire and makes it harder to repair it.


The wires on 24V vehicles are thinner than them on 12V vehicles. Yes I do know why.

"Dad, why are the wires made of lots of little thin wires?" "There's one for each volt son." "Dad, I've counted the thin wires in this thick one and there's 84. So is that 84 volts?" "It's your bedtime."

Bill

I thought it was to to with everything being CAN BUS now. Most of the wires just carry signals, essential power is carried by fewer thicker wires.

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Tim

Very good.

My 50 Olds had room for a second battery, but it would have been a 2nd

6-volt battery. When you only have 6 volts, you often need a secodn battery, but I never got one. One December night it wouldn't start and for some reason I called AAA or something, and they couldn't start it either.

They sold a device that would rearrange the connections of the two batteries. Never had one but I think it went from parallel for charging to series for starting.

I'm guessing the tail light wires on the Toyota are 22 or 24 gauge. No problem for the application but considerably smaller than on my old ('86) pickup.

I have no complaints with the car but it is not over-engineered as was typical in Detroit's golden years.

Wrong, of course. You should have said "there is 10 for every amp" or similar.

Over-engineering is not good for the world as a whole. To do it "just right" saves on resources.

Also in a modern car thje tail lights will be LED and use less power, so the wires can be even thinner.

What I know is that my VW has LED lights at the rear and the wires going to these lights are thinner than what would have been used in the past for incandescent bulbs. The lights are controlled by a Can Bus signal. Car manufacturers have had problems buy computer type chips!

Tail lights used to draw a couple of amps, requiring larger fuses, hence thicker wire.

You'll find that modern trailer harness assemblies, with built-in protection circuitry, sometimes have trouble with old incandescent bulb turn-on surge current in older trailers.

New cars may also have other kinds of limiters (faster), besides fuses.

The car is now 4 years old, but has only done a low mileage. It has been fine. I found out about the elecrics when I fitted a tow bar. There is a box in the boot for the tow bar electrics. The box has cables going towards the front to connect to the can bus and two thicker cables to connect to a fuse box at the front. If there is a problem with a trailer electrics a warning is shown on the panel infont of the driver.

But mine aren't leds. Nothing in the car is that except maybe a few dashpanel lights.

Very little is related to CAN BUS. I think 2 pages out of 70 or so in the wiring manual. (The wiring manual is about 300 pages. I'm estimating how much of that actually shows wiring. )

I'd suppose though that longer runs must still be quite thick or the voltage drop across them would be too great. I know under the dashes of some fords they have no wires, its all ribbons like flexible pcbs like yyou get in the screen hinge of laptops. Brian

In addition to ribbons made of pcb stuff, I guess its the fact that modern cars use leds a lot more and hence more efficient. Brian

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