Totally uncalled for, Steve. Alternatives to the wax ring are
becoming available for a good reason. The new stuff works. Better than
the wax ring.
I think this is a good forum to discuss these new innovations on.
You don't still drive on steel wheels and drag a stick to stop, or
wipe your ass with your left thumb, do you????
On 1/21/2012 3:24 PM, email@example.com wrote:
no, no and no. But the steel wheels do have their advantages on
tractors. The farmers in force when the rubber came along thought it
was a pussified stupid idea. The steel ones still have better traction.
And the was ring still works fine and lasts forever as long as the
toilet does not rock like a rocking horse.
remove the "not" from my address to email
I never had a wax ring leak.
But the first time I do I'll use the new seals.
There's no guarantee a wax ring will work even if the toilet doesn't
rock. Tile work, etc,
Just use what works. Not a big deal.
Wax rings seemed to go bad in old mobile homes a lot. I think if they
are left closed up for a few hot sunny days, it gets so hot inside that
the wax softens, it doesn't quite melt, but it gets soft enough to sag
and loose it's seal. That's just my guess why they go bad, I know the
floors were solid and the toilet didn't wobble.
Under VERY LIMITTED conditions steel cleated wheels can have better
traction than rubber, but in the VAST MAJORITY of situations one would
encounter with a farm tractor, rubber wins hands down.
However, I was not talking tractors. I was talking basic
transportation. Yes, some of the very conservative Amish sects still
run on iron tires on their buggies - where traction is not an issue -
and a few still run with steel wheels on tractors - believe it or
Most of the world has progressed though, to using rubber tires (and
even air filled), use friction brakes to stop, and use toilet paper to
wipe their hiney.
I've used foam ones - and they work. I've used the ones with the cone
as well, and they REALLY work. Unless the sewer backs up it is
virtually impossible for water to leak out - even if sewer gas could
I ordered the Sani-seal a couple days ago and got it yesterday. No
leaks yet, but time will tell. This product is very user friendly,
easy to install and looks like it will do the job. As of now, I highly
suggest it instead of the wax ring.
I can't speak to the "sani - seal" but I have used a 'waxless toilet
seal', don't recall the brand name. Greatest invention since sliced
bread. Pull and replace toilet without changing it, no scraping
cruddy wax, no residue left on floor when toilet is pulled, etc. I
don't know why anyone would use the wax ones except in cases such as
After going to Home Depot, Lowes, and the local hardware and plumbing
supply stores, except for Lowes, no one in my area (Central Ohio), had
anything other than the wax ring. They had tons of those. Lowes
carried one waxless type but I didn't like the way it worked. Maybe
the price is why, I don't know. Just seemed strange to me that even
the plumbing supply stores had nevedr even heard of waxless rings.
Hank <~~~~~ going waxless from now on
A $10 gasket for one that does the same thing for $1? Oh well. I've been
able to get a wax gasket to work even on bumpy floors. I always have
shims on hand though. Trick is to attach the gasket to the toilet first
and don't rock the toilet. I seat the gasket then use a level and shims
to finish the job.
You're welcome. My original intent was to find someone who has used
this specific product. Since I didn't find them here, I thought I
would try it anyway. At the rsik of jinxing myself, it seems to be
working fine and very forgiving in the install.
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