Found a alternative to wax seals at home depot that seems to be designed
to meet my needs -- looking to see if anyone has had good/bad
experiences with this.
From the manufacturers web site:
This appears to meet my needs because I am raising the floor 5/8" and
this states "seals on raised floors, wood, tile, linoleum, and carpet"
and "no need for flange risers or stacked wax rings".
Thanks in advance!
I've been using one for several years with no problems or seepage. In the
past I had to screw around with stacked rings, and still couldn't get a good
seal, requiring a couple of trips to the hardware store. (I probably was
doing something wrong with the stacked rings, or purchased the wrong one.)
I did ask a plumber who was doing some work in an office building for his
thoughts on them. He felt the old wax rings worked fine, why switch when an
existing technology has a good track record.
I'm sure you will get a variety of responses on this.
I've tried the stacked wax ring thing also and it worked but I never
felt very good about it. I am not a professional, if I used wax on a
daily or weekly basis I am sure I would feel more comfortable and I do
understand the pros who say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Thanks
for letting me know it is working for you so far. The earlier response
(thanks for that one also) makes a good point about not knowing its
longevity until they have been installed for 10+ years. If I don't get
any real negative responses I think I'll give it a try. Seems like it
should work and its not too big of a risk in this location.
Good point. The one I used was from Fluidmaster, purchased from a local ACE
Not sure why my wax ring(s) would start to seep - the bowl might have worked
it's way loose so it rocked a slight bit, breaking the seal. I think the
original wax ring from when the toilet was installed lasted a good 10+ years
before it started to leak; the next one, about 6 years or so.
It was after two trips to ACE with various wax rings that I couldn't get to
seal that pushed me to try the new fangled gasket. It's been 3 or 4 years,
with no seepage, so far.
Good point. I would throw in that warranty time is vastly different
that MTBF. Wax rings I am sure last practically forever if the toilet
is stable but I'd be surprised to see a 10 year warranty on one. The
main point I guess is that it is unproven. 20 years from now everyone
or no one may be using them.
Thanks for the input, its something to consider.
HA HA Budys Here wrote:
Can't argue the point - that is exactly why I am considering it. Cheap
isn't an issue, I have only the one toilet to repair (its only $5).
Pros, of course, would have to consider that.
- Nehmo -
The new product is superior to a wax ring. It's easy to use, fast, not
messy, and is forgiving of a small positional error. If you have to take
up the stool and put it back, you don't need to get a new ring.
I've used the wax rings plenty of times. I won't use one again unless
the new thing is unavailable.
I just experienced for the second time a failure of the wax ring at the base
of the toilet.
Both times I was plunging like crazy (low flow toilet woes) and the seal
ruptured. This caused a flood of crappy water through the ceiling and
walls. You don't want to go there!
I too bought one but couldn't use it because it was for 3" pipe and HD
didn't have the 4". But I'll look for that one in the future, now that I
know it exists.
Incorrect. You could not get a gas tight seal. It is also a moist environment
where cloth would decompose. The wax ring is not there for blocking water. If
you understood the configuration of a toilet and how it works, you would know
that. It's not at all complicated.
It doesn't. If you are leaking at that point, you have another
problem. You can mount a toilet with NO wax ring, and if the plumbing
is okay, it won't leak a single drop. The wax ring is not there to
block water. It's function is to block gases. If you are leaking water
through that area, you need to find out the real cause. It isn't the
fault of the wax ring.
I installed one on my last bathroon remodel. It's easy to install and
will compensate for different floor heights. Considering it's a pvc
type of plastic with neoprene o-rings to seal out gases and a forming
gasket to prevent spash back, I can't see any reason why it would fail
in 10 years. Another nice thing is that it's reusable. If you have
to lift the toilet for any reason you're not stuck having to go out
and buy another wax ring and scraping all the old crap off.
I'm in the process of remodeling another one of my bathrooms right now
and it will also get the wax free kit.
The kit I bought from Menards included a separate housing for 4" pipe
if needed. I think I paid only $6.00 for the kit.
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