Sure, if earned and part of the employment agreement. If the vacation is based on time worked on a particular calendar date, you are SOL. You are supposed to know the terms of employment when you sign on.
At many companies, you get a week after a year of employment. If you can canned at six months, no vacation pay for time worked.
Employer can only steal if time was on the books. see above example.
The discussion has drifted to many areas or employment, few actually having to do with the subject line.
Sounds like socialism to me. "The poor employee is incapable of taking care of himself and making the right decisions in his life, so we will have to tell him what to do. How to live, when and what vacations to take, what benefits he should receive.... After all, we can;t have any of the ants in the colony just going off on their own, can we?
Sure, but what you can do, and what most large corporations do do are two different things. Especially if they have to spend a lot of time and money training you to do whatever it is you do for them. They are not likely to just let some bozo fire people that they have invested lots of money in for any or no reason at all....
Sounds like socialism to me. "The poor employee is incapable of taking care of himself and making the right decisions in his life, so we will have to tell him what to do. How to live, when and what vacations to take, what benefits he should receive.... After all, we can;t have any of the ants in the colony just going off on their own, can we?
In many, you get so many hours per hour worked. Some of those don't pay accrued vacation time if you're canned, either. That's what we were discussing. Your statement was that nothing should be mandatory. I'm with you about 90% of the way but the above case is *clearly* in the other 10%.
Duh!
You don't even bother to keep the discussion relevant to the article you're replying to.
That's the beaty of the Canadian system. It is "accrued" vacation pay
- which is separate from vacation time. You get the pay after 1 week,
6 months, or a year - 4% of total earned wages.
You only get vacation time after 1 year unless you negotiate differently with the employer when hired. The employer cannot deny you the time off, but you can negotiate with the employer if you want to work 52 weeks per year and just take the cash. LEGALLY you are supposed to take the 2 weeks time off.
IN CANADA (at least in ONTARIO, unless you are one of the few exempt employers, you pay the vacation pay. Part time workers get it on their weekly cheque - $x dollars an hour times hours + 4% vac pay.
Now I work on contract - so I only get paid what I invoice. No holiday pay, no benefits, no taxes witheld at source, and no unemployment insurance . So basically I'm paid like a Yankee, I guess. But I also get to set my hours (within limits). If the "boss" doesn't like my hours he is free to contract with someone else - and I'm out of a job with no recourse. I am "self employed" operating my own business selling my services to other companies.
Socialism my ass - that's just the plight of the "contract worker" - He sells 1030 hours of his time (services) to a company for a given number of dollars, to be delivered on his schedule. To be legal in Canada would require that he "invoice" for his time - and he would be paid as a "cvontractor " or "supplier" - not an employee. His pay does not come out of "payroll"
That doge has been used up here by high-tech firms among others for years - but if proven by CRA that the "contractor" does not (or cannot) work for anyone else, and the "customer" dictates the starting time and work location of the "contractor", the "customer" can be demed an employer, and the "contractor" an "employee" for taxation purposes. That gets REAL expensive if either one is found guilty of "tax evasion"
In a legitimate situation, the "contractor" gets to claim "business expenses" that he would otherwise not be able to claim and the "customer" gets to write off the payment as other than "wages" which can also be a benefit at tax time (and on statements to shareholders)
There is no "firing board" required in Ontario Canada. The immediate supervisor thinks you are slacking? He writes you up. He thinks you are incompetent? he writes you up. You've been written up twice - you are on notice. He writes you up one more time - you can be GONE - wih cause - no severance - no pogey.
Works well for the employer - and is "fair" to the employee. Gross negligence or insubordination can also be used as "for cause" but is more difficult to prove. There are other "for cause" situations
In Canada you need to give notice to leave in all but extreme circumstances.. Constructive dismissal is one. Charges of wronfull dismissal can be levied against the employer in this case - but you must quit soon after the incident in questio. You may have put up with the boss's BS several times - and then when it happens again you pack your bags, walk out, and notify the department of labour and/or your lawyer.. If he's been a prick for 2 years, then everything settles down for a few months, it would be hard to claim "constructive dissmissal" of you just decided you had had enough without a trigger event. For the "canadian"situation, see
If by, "public policy" you are talking about state created laws that force industries to all treat layoffs the same, then you are interfering with the ability of some smaller companies to be able to stay in business. but why are you binng so antagonistic? You can post about what you know and want to post about.... How about letting me do the same without your dumb questions?
Fine. But I wasn't speaking of what is, "requireed by law". Some companies set up firing boards to protect their heavy investments in training employe3es and then having them fired by straw bosses for no good reason. these are not required by law, but a wise move by employers to protect their investments in skilled employees.
Yes. Especially if it happens too often. but, I have to say, that bossing is a much different skill than doing the work, expecially in a highly technical job. I was a skilled worker, and I had several different bosses. Some of them were pretty bad. But they had a difficult job, (one that I wouldn;t want to do) so I gave them a lot of slack, and managed to put up with some of their failings. After all, this too is part of doing a difficult job. Even now that I am retired, I run into some band directors in persuing my hobby that I think could use a lot of improvement. But if I was asked to do their job, I would turn it down, so I put up with their failings too....:^)
Yes. That's where you get all the blame for things that happen over which you had little or no control. Its the exact opposite of being a building inspector, who has a lot of power, until something goes wrong, and then he takes no blame for the result. - But they can be sued. We had a new bus terminal develop cracks and be condemned here in Salem. The building inspectors passed it off before the damage was observed, and now they are being sued. - I love it.....:^)
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