Fine. But I wasn't speaking of what is, "requireed by law". Some companies
set up firing boards to protect their heavy investments in training
employe3es and then having them fired by straw bosses for no good reason.
these are not required by law, but a wise move by employers to protect their
investments in skilled employees.
Yes. Especially if it happens too often.
but, I have to say, that bossing is a much different skill than doing the
work, expecially in a highly technical job. I was a skilled worker, and I
had several different bosses. Some of them were pretty bad. But they had a
difficult job, (one that I wouldn;t want to do) so I gave them a lot of
slack, and managed to put up with some of their failings. After all, this
too is part of doing a difficult job. Even now that I am retired, I run into
some band directors in persuing my hobby that I think could use a lot of
improvement. But if I was asked to do their job, I would turn it down, so I
put up with their failings too....:^)
Yes. That's where you get all the blame for things that happen over which
you had little or no control. Its the exact opposite of being a building
inspector, who has a lot of power, until something goes wrong, and then he
takes no blame for the result. - But they can be sued. We had a new bus
terminal develop cracks and be condemned here in Salem. The building
inspectors passed it off before the damage was observed, and now they are
being sued. - I love it.....:^)
In Canada you need to give notice to leave in all but extreme
circumstances.. Constructive dismissal is one. Charges of wronfull
dismissal can be levied against the employer in this case - but you
must quit soon after the incident in questio. You may have put up with
the boss's BS several times - and then when it happens again you pack
your bags, walk out, and notify the department of labour and/or your
lawyer.. If he's been a prick for 2 years, then everything settles
down for a few months, it would be hard to claim "constructive
dissmissal" of you just decided you had had enough without a trigger
For the "canadian"situation, see
I'm not propowint to do anything about it. Someone else was worried that his
wife's or girlfriends boss would let her go for some non job related reason
and was asking what he or she could do about it. I havfe been retired for 16
years now and don't have those kinds of problems anymore... but, in the
past, I have had similar problems with idiotic bosses..... I usually found
that the best thing to do was leave and find another job. Even if one were
to bring their case to court and win, then they are going to have to work
under a pissed off boss for the reat of time. IOW, there is no good solution
to the problem. In the old days, things were a lot worse than they are now.
I let it slip to a prospective employer once who I had worked for before,
and he contacted that person, who (of course) told him not to hire me. You
live and learn....:^)
Well, as a libertarian, I sort of agree with you. but if they fired you
because of your skin color, (for example) they would be in big trouble. So
there are exceptions, and many of these came about during my working life,
which started back in the 60's when I got out of the Navy.
Since you mentioned "labour" laws, I'll assume you're not a
left-pondian. In the US, it's not considered OT until 40hrs in one
week. ...and that doesn't necessarily include vacation/holiday time (8
hours holiday + 44hrs work = 48hrs straight pay + 4hrs OT).
That's jurisdiction dependant, here. Some states are "at will"
states. Anyone can be fired for any reason (other than the typical
discrimination of protected classes), or no reason. Others make it
(only) slightly more difficult for employers.
In a truely capitalistic system, no company would want to get rid of a
productive employee that they have hired and trained to do their job and who
does it acceptably well. Most companies have a review board that that
oversees requests to let individuals go. but in small businesses, the only
review board is the owner of the business, so if he wants to rid himself of
you, you have little choice but to leave.
Yes. I have known businesses that were only in business, apparently, to
spend their benefactor's money, and expected to go out of business. (The
owner was cheating his backers) And, of course we all know about drug
sellers who operated businesses as a front for their drug selling
I told my niece to just keep good records of the days and hours she
works and just see how things go.
I was asking her how she liked her new job, and she says she likes.
She mentioned that she keeps quite a large amount of start up cash.
She says that if the delivery trucks will take cash, they pay them in
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